Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Turkish term or phrase:
Çıraklık, Kalfalık, Ustalık
English translation:
Apprenticeship, journeymanship and mastership
Added to glossary by
Aziz Kural
Aug 4, 2015 16:15
9 yrs ago
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Turkish term
Çıraklık, Kalfalık, Ustalık
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Moderatöre Not: Lütfen silmeyiniz çünkü tek bir ifadedir. Sıkça birlikte kullanılır. Saygılarımla,
Mimar Sinan ve daha nice Veli, Alim ve Usta bu ifadelerle anılan aşamalardan geçmiştir.
Çok sıkça rastlanılan bir ifadededir. Teklifleriniz bekliyorum.
Selam,
Aziz
Mimar Sinan ve daha nice Veli, Alim ve Usta bu ifadelerle anılan aşamalardan geçmiştir.
Çok sıkça rastlanılan bir ifadededir. Teklifleriniz bekliyorum.
Selam,
Aziz
Proposed translations
(English)
5 +2 | Apprenticeship, journeyman and mastership |
Elif Baykara Narbay
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4 +1 | Apprenticeship, Pre-Mastership, Mastership |
Tim Drayton
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4 | Apprenticeship, Craftsmanship, Mastery |
wandadorff
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Proposed translations
+2
12 mins
Selected
Apprenticeship, journeyman and mastership
ya da
Apprenticeship-journeyman-mastership
Ben daha önce yukarıdaki şekillerde kullandım.
Apprenticeship-journeyman-mastership
Ben daha önce yukarıdaki şekillerde kullandım.
Note from asker:
Teşekkürler... |
Daha önce yazmıştım ama elektronik olarak çıkmadığını gördüm saygılarımla Aziz |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Tim Drayton
: I think if this is a historical text, 'journeymanship' is right.
9 hrs
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It all depends on the context.. Again :)
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agree |
O. Korhan KARTIN
2 days 8 hrs
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Thank you.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Teşekkürler..."
+1
14 mins
Turkish term (edited):
Çıraklık, ,Kalfalık Ustalık
Apprenticeship, Pre-Mastership, Mastership
There is no equivalent of 'Kalfalık' in English speaking countries, and the best renderings I know of are either 'experienced apprenticeship' or 'pre-mastership'.
Note from asker:
Thank You... |
1 day 6 mins
Apprenticeship, Craftsmanship, Mastery
I am thinking along the lines of what an employer would be looking for at differing levels of ability
Note from asker:
Thank You... |
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Tim Drayton
: You can be a craftsman without having served time as an apprentice.
15 hrs
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neutral |
Elif Baykara Narbay
: I agree with Tim Drayton here.
1 day 12 hrs
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Discussion
However, the Oxford dictionary defines it as: "One who, having served his apprenticeship to a handicraft or trade, is qualified to work at it for days' wages; a qualified mechanic or artisan who works for another. Distinguished on one side from apprentice, on the other from master."
From the above definition, especially in terms of being an intermediate stage between an apprentice and a master, this does sound more like the Turkish 'kalfa'.
I see Redhouse gives 'assistant master'.
I can't write more for the moment (I'm on mobile) but I may add some more info and relevant links in case you are interested.