Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
es una palabra surgida de la convención
English translation:
it is a word that gained currency as a result of frequent use
Added to glossary by
milliecoquis
Nov 5, 2008 17:49
15 yrs ago
Spanish term
es una palabra surgida de la convención
Spanish to English
Social Sciences
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Sociology
Hope you can help me with this translation.
Tú sabes que el término comienza a ingresar en las conversaciones en la década… a finales de los 80, pero es un término surgido de la convención. Como toda palabra, es una palabra surgida de la convención. Nos ponemos de acuerdo y la palabra ‘silla’ describe lo que tú tienes en tu cabeza y yo también. Eso es ‘silla’.
Tú sabes que el término comienza a ingresar en las conversaciones en la década… a finales de los 80, pero es un término surgido de la convención. Como toda palabra, es una palabra surgida de la convención. Nos ponemos de acuerdo y la palabra ‘silla’ describe lo que tú tienes en tu cabeza y yo también. Eso es ‘silla’.
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Robert Forstag
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
Translating words, preserving meaning
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English
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it is a word that gained currency as a result of frequent use
This seems to be the meaning.
Suerte.
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Note added at 19 hrs (2008-11-06 13:47:27 GMT)
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In response to Deborah's point, which is entirely valid:
The repetition of:
pero es un término surgido de la convención. Como toda palabra, es una palabra surgida de la convención.
is clumsy in the extreme. Since the present translation does not appear to be a court document, I do not think that replication of this clumsiness in English (which is in effect what Deborah proposes)is either necessary or desirable.
My suggestion would be to elide the unnecessary repetition in the translation thus:
pero es un término surgido de la convención. Como toda palabra, es una palabra surgida de la convención.
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but, like every word, it is a term that gained currency as a result of frequent use. By virtue of our mutual agreement, the word "chair," for example, comes to represent a single object in both our minds.
Such a solution eliminates the awkward and unnecessary repetition, while preserving the original intended meaning. In passing, I would contend that "what you have in your head and me too" does not really work in English. Hence my alternative suggestion.
Suerte.
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Note added at 19 hrs (2008-11-06 13:47:27 GMT)
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In response to Deborah's point, which is entirely valid:
The repetition of:
pero es un término surgido de la convención. Como toda palabra, es una palabra surgida de la convención.
is clumsy in the extreme. Since the present translation does not appear to be a court document, I do not think that replication of this clumsiness in English (which is in effect what Deborah proposes)is either necessary or desirable.
My suggestion would be to elide the unnecessary repetition in the translation thus:
pero es un término surgido de la convención. Como toda palabra, es una palabra surgida de la convención.
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but, like every word, it is a term that gained currency as a result of frequent use. By virtue of our mutual agreement, the word "chair," for example, comes to represent a single object in both our minds.
Such a solution eliminates the awkward and unnecessary repetition, while preserving the original intended meaning. In passing, I would contend that "what you have in your head and me too" does not really work in English. Hence my alternative suggestion.
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S Ben Price
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Thanks, Ben.
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Carol Gullidge
: convención also means "custom" or "usage", and I think this is the sense here
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Ta, Carol.
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liz askew
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Thank you, Liz.
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Muriel Vasconcellos
: Nice!
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Thank you, Muriel.
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cmwilliams (X)
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Thank you, CM.
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Juliana Brown
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Todah, Juli. :)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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it is a word that comes from convention.
Tienes que tratar de capturar la exactitud de la palabra convención... se trata de un acuerdo entre todos, un acuerdo tácito que lo da la conveción. Creo que convention quiere decir algo muy similar en inglés...
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Alice Bootman
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Gracias
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trans4u
: gained 'prevalence' would also work.
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Gracias
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it's a word with an agreed meaning. Like every word, it's a word with a generally accepted meaning..
Given that the question is repeated in the text, I think Robert's answer is too long to repeat. I would use the word "agreed" in English because then you can repeat (echo) this when you translate "Nos ponemos de acuerdo". My suggestion:
"... but it's a word with an agreed meaning. Like every word, it's a word with a generally accepted meaning. We agree on the meaning and the word 'chair' describes what you have in your head and me too. That's what 'chair' is."
"... but it's a word with an agreed meaning. Like every word, it's a word with a generally accepted meaning. We agree on the meaning and the word 'chair' describes what you have in your head and me too. That's what 'chair' is."
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