Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
desarmadero de Descartes
English translation:
Descartes's deconstruction
Added to glossary by
Rita Tepper
May 8, 2008 19:00
16 yrs ago
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Spanish term
desarmadero de Descartes
Spanish to English
Science
Philosophy
Lógica y filosofía médica
En un artículo sobre medicina y lógica:
De paso recordemos que en el desarmadero de Descartes no se halló la conciencia.
De paso recordemos que en el desarmadero de Descartes no se halló la conciencia.
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +3 | Descartes's deconstruction | Patricia Rosas |
3 +1 | see | liz askew |
3 | Descartes scrapyard | bcsantos |
3 | yard sale/ garage sale | Claudia Pesce |
3 | Descartes’ Meditationes* | Gert Sass (M.A.) |
Proposed translations
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24 mins
Selected
Descartes's deconstruction
This might be a possibility but I'd need more context to know for sure:
Whereas Descartes deconstructed and rebuilt, Locke's project is to explain; explain the genesis of our ideas, how they relate to substance, and the extent ...
radicalacademy.com/studentrefphil_kjones9.htm
Descartes went on a deconstruction trip, proving that he knew almost nothing ... Descartes' method of deconstruction depended upon the fact that he could ...
www.everything2.net/e2node/Descartes%20was%20wrong
in the Regulae, Descartes deconstructs Aristotelian. ou’sıá only to the extent that he needs in order to construct the ...
www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-2265.2005....
... 'make us imagine many events possible that are not so'. Descartes deconstructs himself. Judovitz brings out another fatal consequence of this ignoring of.
books.google.com/books?isbn=0415037484
Whereas Descartes deconstructed and rebuilt, Locke's project is to explain; explain the genesis of our ideas, how they relate to substance, and the extent ...
radicalacademy.com/studentrefphil_kjones9.htm
Descartes went on a deconstruction trip, proving that he knew almost nothing ... Descartes' method of deconstruction depended upon the fact that he could ...
www.everything2.net/e2node/Descartes%20was%20wrong
in the Regulae, Descartes deconstructs Aristotelian. ou’sıá only to the extent that he needs in order to construct the ...
www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-2265.2005....
... 'make us imagine many events possible that are not so'. Descartes deconstructs himself. Judovitz brings out another fatal consequence of this ignoring of.
books.google.com/books?isbn=0415037484
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you Patrica, and thanks everybody for the reaseach!"
1 hr
Descartes scrapyard
Where you can find bits and pieces of different objects.
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
liz askew
: I love the image, but somehow I don't think it's sophisticated enough. Doesn't quite fit with France's image of the philospher do you think ? :-)
1 hr
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28 mins
yard sale/ garage sale
Yo sé que un desarmadero es el lugar donde se desarman automóviles y otros vehiculos para rescatar aquellas partes que se pueden volver a usar/vender. Yo sugiero algo parecido, "garage sale" o "yard sale", porque ahí también se venden objetos descartados, que les resultan útiles a otros. Creo que se puede usar en el contexto y decir algo así como: "They never found a conscience in Descartes´s garage/yard sale". Just an idea! Suerte :D
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But are they refering to "conciencia" as "moral conscience" or "self-awareness"???
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-05-08 21:55:10 GMT)
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But are they refering to "conciencia" as "moral conscience" or "self-awareness"???
Note from asker:
Speaking about Descartes and philosophy, shouldn't it be consciousness instead of conscience? |
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14 mins
see
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:99JNYVD7w7MJ:www.proz.c...
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Note added at 15 mins (2008-05-08 19:15:21 GMT)
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Relationality: From Attachment to Intersubjectivity - Google Books Result
by Stephen A. Mitchell - 2000 - Psychology - 173 pages
Most historians of philosophy date the modern philosophical era at the point when Descartes dismantled and called into question everything he knew, ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0881634174...
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PDF]
The Atlantic Online | June 2006 | The Management Myth | Matth...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
hierarchy,” said über-guru Tom Peters, with characteristic understatement. .... students of philosophy know, Descartes dismantled the edifice of medieval ...
pareto.uab.es/fsancho/The%20Management%20Myth.pdf - Similar pages
Building Communication Theories: A Socio/Cultural Approach by Fred ...
Recognizing the synergy...hierarchy of knowledge, when philosophy gave way more ... As students of philosophy know, Descartes dismantled the edifice of ...
www.questia.com/library/book/building-communication-theorie... - Similar pages
dismantled edifice of
difficult one
hope this gives you some ideas :-)
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Note added at 18 mins (2008-05-08 19:18:54 GMT)
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Don't know much about Rene but
how about
Descartes' dismantled edifice of metaphysics
If he didn't believe in the conscience/soul?
or is that just a bit too heavy?
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-05-08 21:41:08 GMT)
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You could well be right about "consciousness", Rita, it did occur to me, but being in a rush earlier, I didn't really pursue this further...
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-05-08 21:42:01 GMT)
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Yep
of course you're right, Rita
http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozi...
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-05-08 21:44:47 GMT)
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I don't mean to be flippant, but I find this philosophy a bit of a dead end!
Also my ex-husband taught this sort of stuff, so it has always put me off this type of philosophy! :-)
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-05-08 22:07:38 GMT)
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Do you know, I get that feeling too when I am translating some stuff into English.
Just because we translate doesn't mean we always understand, eh?
Bye and good luck with this!
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Note added at 15 mins (2008-05-08 19:15:21 GMT)
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Relationality: From Attachment to Intersubjectivity - Google Books Result
by Stephen A. Mitchell - 2000 - Psychology - 173 pages
Most historians of philosophy date the modern philosophical era at the point when Descartes dismantled and called into question everything he knew, ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0881634174...
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Note added at 16 mins (2008-05-08 19:17:03 GMT)
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PDF]
The Atlantic Online | June 2006 | The Management Myth | Matth...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
hierarchy,” said über-guru Tom Peters, with characteristic understatement. .... students of philosophy know, Descartes dismantled the edifice of medieval ...
pareto.uab.es/fsancho/The%20Management%20Myth.pdf - Similar pages
Building Communication Theories: A Socio/Cultural Approach by Fred ...
Recognizing the synergy...hierarchy of knowledge, when philosophy gave way more ... As students of philosophy know, Descartes dismantled the edifice of ...
www.questia.com/library/book/building-communication-theorie... - Similar pages
dismantled edifice of
difficult one
hope this gives you some ideas :-)
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Note added at 18 mins (2008-05-08 19:18:54 GMT)
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Don't know much about Rene but
how about
Descartes' dismantled edifice of metaphysics
If he didn't believe in the conscience/soul?
or is that just a bit too heavy?
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-05-08 21:41:08 GMT)
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You could well be right about "consciousness", Rita, it did occur to me, but being in a rush earlier, I didn't really pursue this further...
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-05-08 21:42:01 GMT)
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Yep
of course you're right, Rita
http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozi...
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-05-08 21:44:47 GMT)
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I don't mean to be flippant, but I find this philosophy a bit of a dead end!
Also my ex-husband taught this sort of stuff, so it has always put me off this type of philosophy! :-)
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-05-08 22:07:38 GMT)
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Do you know, I get that feeling too when I am translating some stuff into English.
Just because we translate doesn't mean we always understand, eh?
Bye and good luck with this!
Note from asker:
Speaking about Descartes and philosophy, shouldn't it be consciousness instead of conscience? |
Don't worry, I don't understand a word of what I am translating, seems like Chinese! |
5 hrs
Descartes’ Meditationes*
Alternatives:
Descartes’ close examination/scrutiny*
Descartes’ questioning of basic concepts*
Descartes’ drawing into question of basic beliefs*
*all suggestions subject to further context
Explanation:
It would neither do justice to Descartes’ philosophy nor to Derrida's notion of "deconstruction" to confuse them. To cut it very short, Descartes sets out enquiring all kinds of things that appear to the human sense (or better call them objects of human perception) and asking whether these could represent pieces of truth or actual being in a philosophical sense, and eventually reveals them as mere perceptions based on and flawed by the limits of unreflected observation. However, at the turning point of his Meditationes (= his chief work), he finds what he understands to be an unquestionable certainty, namely the famous “Cogito, ergo sum”, which basically means that, in doubting all kinds of perceptions I can think of, there is one thing which I cannot doubt, namely my very capability of doubting itself, and that is, my capability to think. This leads him to introduce thinking itself as the ultimate principle of certainty, as long as my thoughts are “clear and distinct”. On this basis, he then arrives at a re-affirmation of any idea or concept that can be thought in this way, “clearly and distinctly”, especially the notions of “God” and “I”, which according to him cannot be denied their existence for the same reason. Accordingly, he winds up re-affirming all concepts/thoughts that fulfil this criterion.
With Derrida, while there are parallels (e. g. both are focussing on fundamental epistemological questions), the conclusion is far from similar: Derrida reveals that all believed certainty is rooted in concepts or basic ideas that the human mind cannot question, but which cannot be true either, because they are based on sets of binary oppositions and other rituals the only “advantage” of which is that without them, we would not be able to understand or even talk to each other. It would take a language different from all human languages to understand and communicate what is happening. He thus reveals these concepts as unconfirmable, yet insurmountable dogmas. According to Derrida, it ultimately follows that, while deconstruction helps us to learn that we must have been dreaming, we must necessarily live on as dreamers, in order to continue communication. While there can be no triumph about any re-affirmation of metaphysics (as in Descartes’ way), we are left with a sense of sheer incapability to do without it.
Descartes’ close examination/scrutiny*
Descartes’ questioning of basic concepts*
Descartes’ drawing into question of basic beliefs*
*all suggestions subject to further context
Explanation:
It would neither do justice to Descartes’ philosophy nor to Derrida's notion of "deconstruction" to confuse them. To cut it very short, Descartes sets out enquiring all kinds of things that appear to the human sense (or better call them objects of human perception) and asking whether these could represent pieces of truth or actual being in a philosophical sense, and eventually reveals them as mere perceptions based on and flawed by the limits of unreflected observation. However, at the turning point of his Meditationes (= his chief work), he finds what he understands to be an unquestionable certainty, namely the famous “Cogito, ergo sum”, which basically means that, in doubting all kinds of perceptions I can think of, there is one thing which I cannot doubt, namely my very capability of doubting itself, and that is, my capability to think. This leads him to introduce thinking itself as the ultimate principle of certainty, as long as my thoughts are “clear and distinct”. On this basis, he then arrives at a re-affirmation of any idea or concept that can be thought in this way, “clearly and distinctly”, especially the notions of “God” and “I”, which according to him cannot be denied their existence for the same reason. Accordingly, he winds up re-affirming all concepts/thoughts that fulfil this criterion.
With Derrida, while there are parallels (e. g. both are focussing on fundamental epistemological questions), the conclusion is far from similar: Derrida reveals that all believed certainty is rooted in concepts or basic ideas that the human mind cannot question, but which cannot be true either, because they are based on sets of binary oppositions and other rituals the only “advantage” of which is that without them, we would not be able to understand or even talk to each other. It would take a language different from all human languages to understand and communicate what is happening. He thus reveals these concepts as unconfirmable, yet insurmountable dogmas. According to Derrida, it ultimately follows that, while deconstruction helps us to learn that we must have been dreaming, we must necessarily live on as dreamers, in order to continue communication. While there can be no triumph about any re-affirmation of metaphysics (as in Descartes’ way), we are left with a sense of sheer incapability to do without it.
Note from asker:
Excellent explanation, thanks so much for taking so much time in explaining Descartes thinking. But I believe this translation is more profound that the original text. |
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