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Portuguese term or phrase:
charque
English translation:
jerked beef => jerky...
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charque
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Carne salgada e secada ao sol para sua conservação.
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| 5 +2 | jerked beef => jerky |
airmailrpl
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| 5 +2 | salty jerked beef |
Jorge Rodrigues
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| 4 +2 | jerky OR cured meat |
Marlene Curtis
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| 4 | (Brazilian) dried meat |
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Jul 15, 2009 17:44: airmailrpl changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/139495">Daniela Otheguy's</a> old entry - "charque"" to ""jerked beef => jerky""
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jerked beef => jerky
Charque => jerked beef..jerky
the word "charque" became "Jerky" which also generated "jerked Beef"
Web definitions for Jerked beef
Jerky is meat that has been cut into strips trimmed of fat and marinated in a spicy, salty or sweet liquid; then dried with low heat (usually ...
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerked_beef
sun dried meet is "carne de Sol"
CARNE-DE-SOL, also known as:
“carne-de-sertao, carne serenada, carne-de-viagem, carne-de pacoca, carne-mole, cacina ou carne acacinado.:
CHARQUE, also known as:
“carne seca, carne-do-sertao, xergao, tasajo, chalona, charqui, xarque.”
http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/x6555e/x6555e00.htm
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The Native North Americans originally taught the settlers how to pull or cut meat into long strips. The strips of beef would be cured, seasoned and smoked. The word jerky comes from the Native American word “charqui” meaning jerked beef. The Native American jerky was sliced thin and dried on rocks in the sun.
http://www.cattaneobros.com/acatalog/History_of_Beef_Jerky.h...
Brewer, E. Cobham. Dictionary of Phrase & Fable. Jerked [beef],
... Mencken's Language, Cambridge History, The King James Bible ... Jerked [beef],. a corruption of the Peruvian word charqui, meat cut into strips and ...
www.bartleby.com/81/9172.html
Soon, the farmers of Ceará learned to produce jerked beef, which was much easier to store and transport. The process developed by the cearenses to make the jerked beef was so successful that soon it was exported to neighbour states of Piauí and Rio Grande do Norte, and later on the technique was also applied in the distant Rio Grande do Sul.
http://www.v-brazil.com/information/geography/ceara/history....
A Brief History of Beef Jerky
WHAT IS JERKY?
Centuries ago the Indians of North America preserved buffalo meat by curing and smoking it while on the move. This dried meat had the name charqui, pronounced "sharkey" in Spanish. This means to "pull or cut into long strips." Over the years the word changed and the meat became known as Jerky or jerked beef.
http://www.wildwestjerky.co.uk/history.htm
the word "charque" became "Jerky" which also generated "jerked Beef"
Web definitions for Jerked beef
Jerky is meat that has been cut into strips trimmed of fat and marinated in a spicy, salty or sweet liquid; then dried with low heat (usually ...
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerked_beef
sun dried meet is "carne de Sol"
CARNE-DE-SOL, also known as:
“carne-de-sertao, carne serenada, carne-de-viagem, carne-de pacoca, carne-mole, cacina ou carne acacinado.:
CHARQUE, also known as:
“carne seca, carne-do-sertao, xergao, tasajo, chalona, charqui, xarque.”
http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/x6555e/x6555e00.htm
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The Native North Americans originally taught the settlers how to pull or cut meat into long strips. The strips of beef would be cured, seasoned and smoked. The word jerky comes from the Native American word “charqui” meaning jerked beef. The Native American jerky was sliced thin and dried on rocks in the sun.
http://www.cattaneobros.com/acatalog/History_of_Beef_Jerky.h...
Brewer, E. Cobham. Dictionary of Phrase & Fable. Jerked [beef],
... Mencken's Language, Cambridge History, The King James Bible ... Jerked [beef],. a corruption of the Peruvian word charqui, meat cut into strips and ...
www.bartleby.com/81/9172.html
Soon, the farmers of Ceará learned to produce jerked beef, which was much easier to store and transport. The process developed by the cearenses to make the jerked beef was so successful that soon it was exported to neighbour states of Piauí and Rio Grande do Norte, and later on the technique was also applied in the distant Rio Grande do Sul.
http://www.v-brazil.com/information/geography/ceara/history....
A Brief History of Beef Jerky
WHAT IS JERKY?
Centuries ago the Indians of North America preserved buffalo meat by curing and smoking it while on the move. This dried meat had the name charqui, pronounced "sharkey" in Spanish. This means to "pull or cut into long strips." Over the years the word changed and the meat became known as Jerky or jerked beef.
http://www.wildwestjerky.co.uk/history.htm
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Adriana Maciel
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Marlene Curtis
: Seus exemplos são muito bons...Curvo-me...
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agradecido
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Comment: "Thanks a lot!Eu usei "beef jerky" na minha tradução, achei mais adequado.
Com referência as discussões sobre o termo gostaria de adicionar que eu sou uruguaia e lá também temos charque, usando o mesmo termo para sua designação, pelo qual não acho adequado tipifica-lo de "Brazilian""
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jerky OR cured meat
Charqui
Charqui or charque, is a form of jerky common in South America made from dried and salted meat, usually horse, llama or beef. This curing was done so the meat could be stored for a long period. This was a very popular way to preserve meat in Peru, Uruguay and Rio Grande do Sul. It was industrialized in charqueadas, also named saladeros (in Uruguay).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charqui
Charqui or charque, is a form of jerky common in South America made from dried and salted meat, usually horse, llama or beef. This curing was done so the meat could be stored for a long period. This was a very popular way to preserve meat in Peru, Uruguay and Rio Grande do Sul. It was industrialized in charqueadas, also named saladeros (in Uruguay).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charqui
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(Brazilian) dried meat
Uma sugestão. Use o "Brazilian", se quiser, para reforçar que se trata do charque.
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salty jerked beef
Típica do sul do Brasil (Rio Grande do Sul, para ser mais exato). Não confundir com sun-dried jerked beef ("carne de sol"), típica do Nordeste.
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Or: salted jerked beef.
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É o ingrediente principal do "arroz de carreteiro", um prato regional (delicioso) do RS.
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Or: salted jerked beef.
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Note added at 19 mins (2009-07-11 00:14:27 GMT)
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É o ingrediente principal do "arroz de carreteiro", um prato regional (delicioso) do RS.
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rhandler
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Obrigado, Ralph.
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airmailrpl
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Sim, salted jerked beef é melhor. Obrigado, airmailrpl:
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Adriana Maciel
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Obrigado, Adriana.
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Discussion
Que bom que você usou o termo mais usual, segundo ocorrências no Google, é o que eu usaria também, depois de tanta discussão.
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Results 1 - 10 of about 66,100 for "dried meat" site:com
could be considered from the USA
Vide a definição de "jerky" do Dicionário Webster:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jerky
Como você pode ver, não tem absolutamente nada a ver com charque. Por isso tantos milhões de "hits".
Se for usar Jerky, precisa dizer "beef jerky", senão não é charque.
Usar google hits como um "gauge" é perigoso e requer muita atenção apra o que se está procurando. Mas, sabendo interpretar os resultados, é extremamente útil.
Results 1 - 16 of 16 for "salted jerked beef"
Results 1 - 30 of about 106,000 for "chipped beef"
Results 1 - 30 of about 620 for "salted dried meat ".
Results 1 - 30 of about 283 for "salted dried beef"
Looks like "Jerky" wins it on a Google hits basis
Search for "salty jerked beef" -> 3 hits
Search for "jerked beef" -> 51200 hits
Search for "jerky meat" -> 9340 hits
Search for "cured meat" -> 171.000 hits (altho it doesn't seem to be much related to "charque" as the other options)
Search for "brazilian dried meat" -> 9510 hits
Search for "dried meat" -> 253.000 hits
And, a search for a term not yet "entered":
SEARCH for "beef jerky" -> 1.370.000 hits
As I always like to emphasize, Google hits are a dangerous gauge but can be useful (you can have google hits that count duplicates and hits that do not count, I am using hits that count duplicates, that is much easier to use). If all the options are rather good translations of the almost same thing, google hits can help decide which one to use.
" Jerky is generic, jerky means snack,"....
It may recently have become a SNACK in the USA but it was very much a STAPLE on sailing ships and in the OLD West
.Full text of "Journal of a trading voyage around the world, 1805-1808"
... roast fowl and jerked beef, snails and anchovies fished amongst the rocks. ...... In the morning, a general inspection of the ship's stores took place. ...
www.archive.org/stream/.../journaloftrading00iselrich_djvu....
The Native North Americans originally taught the settlers how to pull or cut meat into long strips. The strips of beef would be cured, seasoned and smoked. The word jerky comes from the Native American word “charqui” meaning jerked beef. The Native American jerky was sliced thin and dried on rocks in the sun.
http://www.cattaneobros.com/acatalog/History_of_Beef_Jerky.h...
Brazilian "charque" DID NOT originate in RGS.......
Soon, the farmers of Ceará learned to produce jerked beef, which was much easier to store and transport. The process developed by the cearenses to make the jerked beef was so successful that soon it was exported to neighbour states of Piauí and Rio Grande do Norte, and later on the technique was also applied in the distant Rio Grande do Sul.
http://www.v-brazil.com/information/geography/ceara/history....
Your reference also states that Charque originated in Ceara
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-2896800022.html
Our "charque" is specific, it is Brazilian, and the best way to refer to it uniquely is to say Brazilian dried meat.
http://www.slowfoodmontereybay.org/content.php?contentid=144
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8485743/Texts-from-Brazil-Flavors-...
"The people of Minas Gerais ate beef salted in layers - dried meat or charque, salted sun-dried meat, "wind-dried meat" or jabá. Like the pork meat and bacon, they were preserved by smoking, salting, turning it into a paçoca or conserving in fat (as it is still done)."
http://www.sic.org.br/charque.asp
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charque
Portanto, não se aplica bem a definição de jerky, a meu ver, para o charque brasileiro.
Há variantes, como a carne-do-sol, traduzida como "sun beef"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carne_de_sol
mas o mais comum é chamar o charque como Brazilian Dried Meat. Há milhares de referências ao termos na internet, basta procurar por "Brazilian Dried Meat".
Este artigo explica a diferença entre o jerked beef / beef jerky e o verdadeiro charque (dried meat):
"O que é o beef jerky?
O beef jerky encontrado em vários países do exterior é totalmente diferente do nacional. O beef jerky foi criado pelos cowboys americanos, e nada mais é do que uma carne seca vendida como lanche (snacks), geralmente em formato de palitinho embalado à vácuo e já pronto para consumo. Pode ser aromatizado com diversos sabores e não exige refrigeração."