Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
AUFTNR.
English translation:
Auftragsnummer = order number
Added to glossary by
Johanna Timm, PhD
Feb 19, 2015 01:25
9 yrs ago
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German term
AUFTNR.
German to English
Art/Literary
Music
I am translating a number of articles about a musician. One of the documents looks like a ticket or train schedule, detailing the cities where the musician will appear and when. The abbreviation AUFTNR. appears at the top of the document, followed by a number and the "Erscheinungsdatum." What could AUFTNR. be in this context?
Proposed translations
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3 +1 | Auftragsnummer = order number |
Johanna Timm, PhD
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3 +4 | Performance No: |
Lancashireman
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3 | contract number |
Ramey Rieger (X)
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3 | database search term |
Yorkshireman
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Change log
Feb 20, 2015 03:26: Johanna Timm, PhD Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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1 hr
Selected
Auftragsnummer = order number
AUFTNR. seems to be a common abbreviation for Auftragsnummer
https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=ZlXlVLesEKyV8QfSzYG4Bw#q...
https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=ZlXlVLesEKyV8QfSzYG4Bw#q...
2 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
5 hrs
contract number
As I posted in the discussion box, this is most likely a contract followed by the concert/performance/gig date (Erscheinungsdatum). Musicians do not take 'orders' (;-)), we make contracts.
Peer comment(s):
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Erik Freitag
: "Erscheinungsdatum" does not fit with "concert/performance/gig". It's clearly related to publishing. That doesn't make your suggestion "contract number" less likely, though.
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True, Erik, that is most decidedly a possibility!
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5 mins
Performance No:
Auftritt-Nr.
http://www.woelper-loewen.de/component/content/article/173-a...
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Note added at 6 mins (2015-02-19 01:31:33 GMT)
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Nummer = number
Gig number
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Note added at 18 hrs (2015-02-19 20:23:37 GMT)
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Revised suggestion based on information that has subsequently emerged:
Search number
(See Discussion Box)
http://www.woelper-loewen.de/component/content/article/173-a...
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Note added at 6 mins (2015-02-19 01:31:33 GMT)
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Nummer = number
Gig number
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Note added at 18 hrs (2015-02-19 20:23:37 GMT)
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Revised suggestion based on information that has subsequently emerged:
Search number
(See Discussion Box)
Peer comment(s):
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David Hollywood
: sounds OK and agree that it means Auftritt
1 hr
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Thanks. Unfortunately, the asker gave misleading description (a ticket or train schedule, detailing the cities where the musician will appear and when). It turns out to have been a search number for the publication in which the clipping appeared.
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Donald Jacobson
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Thanks. Unfortunately, the asker gave misleading description (a ticket or train schedule, detailing the cities where the musician will appear and when). It turns out to have been a search number for the publication in which the clipping appeared.
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agree |
Frosty
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Thanks. Unfortunately, the asker gave misleading description (a ticket or train schedule, detailing the cities where the musician will appear and when). It turns out to have been a search number for the publication in which the clipping appeared.
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Erik Freitag
: Seems very unlikely. "Auftritt" is rather a layman term seldom used by professional musicians./Aha.
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Dear Mr Layman, Thank you for your esteemed order. Your performance will be delivered within the next few days. Signed, Professional Musician
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billcorno (X)
: When a professional musician (or any musician) make an appearance, it is an "Auftritt." https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=musicalischer auftritt
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Thanks. Unfortunately, the asker gave misleading description (a ticket or train schedule, detailing the cities where the musician will appear and when). It turns out to have been a search number for the publication in which the clipping appeared.
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19 hrs
database search term
Used in ORACLE as a search term for documents (Aufträge) in databases
Discussion
I just entered a neutral (!) comment to your answer, I didn't say it was plain wrong, just quite unlikely (although it did turn out to be wrong after all, which I anticipated). I'm sorry if you're annoyed by my efforts to substantiate my opinion when it is challenged - a practice that you don't seem to appreciate very much. I gave my very own personal view of the matter as someone with indeed long-time, first-hand, native language and up-to-date experience as a professional musician (by which in this case I don't mean teaching in music schools, or leading amateur choirs etc.)
Maybe you misunderstood my remark "layman term", by which I certainly did not want to imply that you were a layman. For all I know, you may be far more experienced in music than I am. It's just that in my experience, "Auftritt" is a term that professional musicians rarely use, or only under very special circumstances, while it is far more popular amongst amateurs (which in turn makes your answer unlikely).
If you think this isn't true, we can safely agree to disagree. No ad-hominems or "who's a real pro" arm-wrestling necessary.
Ich habe auf die Schnelle keinen Fall finden können, der sich (e) zuordnen lässt (auch wenn es solche ganz sicher gibt).
Ein Auftritt ist zunächst mal ein Begriff aus dem Theater und bezeichnet (a) ganz wörtlich den Akt des Auftretens, des Erscheinens, eines Darstellers auf der Bühne.
Bilcornos "musikalischer Auftritt" ist (b) ein Auftritt im obigen Sinne, der von einer eigens dafür vorgesehenen Musik begleitet wird (Fall b).
Das Wort wird gerne auch in anderen Zusammenhängen verwendet: Einige plakative Beispiele: Großeltern, die den Nachbarn erzählen, ihr Enkelkind habe einen Auftritt mit dem Blockflötenkindern der Musikschule. Auch Mitglieder von Feuerwehrkapellen, Kirchenchören und ähnlichen Laienensembles sprechen gerne von Auftritten, wenn sie vor Publikum musizieren (Fall c).
Diese Verwendung wird dann unbewusst auch gerne von Journalisten in regionalen oder lokalen Zeitungen etc. übernommen (d).
Dass ein professioneller Musiker hingegen von einem Auftritt spricht und damit nicht a) oder b) meint, kommt m.E. eher nicht vor (das wäre dann Fall e). Stattdessen heißt es dann in der Regel von Konzerte (oder im Musiktheater: Vorstellungen), in der sog. U-Musik auch Gigs etc.
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