German term
(„Sünder“, i. S. v. Mönch)
Names of some hymnographers are known in addition to the general terms Studites (monks of the Monastery of Stoudios) [ allgemeine Bezeichnungen wie Studites („Mönch des Studiu-Klosters“) oder Hamartolós („Sünder“, i. S. v. Mönch). ]
Any clues to the abbreviations within the parentheses („Sünder“, i. S. v. Mönch) would be appreciated;
"sinner" and" "monk" are obvious.
Thank you.
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| 4 +2 | (penitent, in the sense of a monk) |
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| 3 +1 | (Greek meaning: "sinner", used as the monk's epithet") |
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Proposed translations
im Sinne von = in the sense of = meaning
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Note added at 5 hrs (2014-04-03 01:15:20 GMT)
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George Hamartolos or Hamartolus (Greek: Γεώργιος Ἁμαρτωλός) was a monk at Constantinople under Michael III (842–867) and the author of a chronicle of some importance. Hamartolus is not his name but the epithet he gives to himself in the title of his work: "A compendious chronicle from various chroniclers and interpreters, gathered together and arranged by George, a sinner (ὐπὸ Γεωργίου ἁμαρτωλοῦ)". It is a common form among Byzantine monks. Krumbacher (Byz. Litt., 358) protests against the use of this epithet as a name and proposes (and uses) the form Georgios Monachos (Γεώργιος Μοναχός "George the Monk").
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hamartolos
Possible translation for the phrase in parenthesis:
Hamartolós (Greek for 'Sinner', i.e. the monk of that name).
There is no evidence in the text itself of penitence, although the Wikipedia article supports that assertion.
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Susanne Rindlisbacher
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David Hollywood
: yes and you were there first :)
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(penitent, in the sense of a monk)
i.e. a person who repents their sins and seeks forgiveness from God, rather than one who commits sins.
Which would much better describe a monk's monasterial "dasein".
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Note added at 2 hrs (2014-04-02 22:13:57 GMT)
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A little further research has revealed that it is probably not "a monk",
but rather "the monk", and refers to Georges Hamartolos - literally "George the Sinner"
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Susanne Rindlisbacher
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THX Susanne
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David Hollywood
: and yes too :) good research so ...
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Thank you David
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(Greek meaning: "sinner", used as the monk's epithet")
Some hymnographers were referred to by the name of their monastery, while others were known by/used their epithet
“Studites” (i.e. monks residing in the Stoudios Monastery) and “Hamartolós” (which means in Greek “sinner”, an epithet he had assigned to himself as a monk)
( which was common practice in Byzantine times; his full name was George Hamartolos)
“i.S. von”= literally “im Sinne von”; here however: „used as the monk’s epithet”
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William Geuss
: Fabulous, everyone. Thank you!
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You're very welcome. I'm glad we were able to help!
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