Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Sprachvertonung
English translation:
musical expression of words
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Damian Harrison (X)
Apr 6, 2008 12:08
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German term
Sprachvertonung
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Art/Literary
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Wissenschaftler der Universität diskutierten grundlegenden Aspekten der Sprachvertonung im Vokalwerk Mozarts.
Is this another way of saying they discussed the specifics of the style of Mozart's vocal compositions?
'Vertonung' in the sense of 'recording' doesn´t seem to fit here.
Is this another way of saying they discussed the specifics of the style of Mozart's vocal compositions?
'Vertonung' in the sense of 'recording' doesn´t seem to fit here.
Proposed translations
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musical expression of words
or:
expressing of words in music/musical expressing of words
however, "expression" can also just refer to singing,
so maybe:
the transformation (expansion) of words into music/musical transformation (expansion) of words
creative process of taking words (a poem etc./libretto) as the basis and expressing them musically, adding the musical dimension to the words, whereby some words can also be changed. In the case of a llibretto, the words/style are already carefully chosen to be used for this musical transformation.
I also thought of "musicalization of words" but this refers to the musical characteristics in Chinese poetry: http://content.cdlib.org/xtf/view?docId=ft129003tp&chunk.id=...
another suggestion:
the conversion of words into music
Diana's suggestion is used most frequently to describe the process, it also puts emphasis on the text as the basis/starting point. The way the music is composed and the way the words are sung/has everything to do with the content of the text. However, in my opinion, "setting words to music" doesn't do the whole process - which is more then putting music to a text - justice, and also, it could possibly mean that the music already existed.
It's the text in a musical setting/it is a musical setting of the words
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Orff
musical setting
http://www.lalavoicecoach.com/index.html
The beauty of sound itself. Singing is ultimately the musical expression of words, and with words we can express the whole range of human emotions.
http://www.freidok.uni-freiburg.de/volltexte/1638/pdf/30_mac...
W. Dömling, "Aspekte der Sprachvertonung in den Balladen Guillaume de Machauts," Die Musikforschung 25 (1972): 301-7 (305) points out that the melodic sequence in bar 4 is an equivalent to the repeat of the word 'ploures.'
http://www.hausarbeiten.de/zeit/vorschau/48161.html
Sprachvertonung
expressing of words in music/musical expressing of words
however, "expression" can also just refer to singing,
so maybe:
the transformation (expansion) of words into music/musical transformation (expansion) of words
creative process of taking words (a poem etc./libretto) as the basis and expressing them musically, adding the musical dimension to the words, whereby some words can also be changed. In the case of a llibretto, the words/style are already carefully chosen to be used for this musical transformation.
I also thought of "musicalization of words" but this refers to the musical characteristics in Chinese poetry: http://content.cdlib.org/xtf/view?docId=ft129003tp&chunk.id=...
another suggestion:
the conversion of words into music
Diana's suggestion is used most frequently to describe the process, it also puts emphasis on the text as the basis/starting point. The way the music is composed and the way the words are sung/has everything to do with the content of the text. However, in my opinion, "setting words to music" doesn't do the whole process - which is more then putting music to a text - justice, and also, it could possibly mean that the music already existed.
It's the text in a musical setting/it is a musical setting of the words
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Orff
musical setting
http://www.lalavoicecoach.com/index.html
The beauty of sound itself. Singing is ultimately the musical expression of words, and with words we can express the whole range of human emotions.
http://www.freidok.uni-freiburg.de/volltexte/1638/pdf/30_mac...
W. Dömling, "Aspekte der Sprachvertonung in den Balladen Guillaume de Machauts," Die Musikforschung 25 (1972): 301-7 (305) points out that the melodic sequence in bar 4 is an equivalent to the repeat of the word 'ploures.'
http://www.hausarbeiten.de/zeit/vorschau/48161.html
Sprachvertonung
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I´d actually like to give points to Bernhard, Joachim AND Gert but apparently that´s against the rules... Thanks very much Bernard, with so little context this was a very tricky one..."
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uniting words and music
Mozart is a genius when it comes to letting the music convey the meaning of the words and vice-versa. I think it's more than just the style of his vocal compositions. I'd imagine this is hard to write about unless you know Mozart's vocal compositions, including Lieder, opera arias, concert arias, religious music etc.
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Beth Jones
: Greetings & thanks from Salzburg, die Mozartstadt! As a professional singer & translator, I'm also wondering if they're also discussing the very WORDING used in the lyrics, i.e. the libretti: the literary styles, vocabulary... & even the language styles?
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wow-seems it was a guys only question. too bad they can't target gender. ;-)
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the setting of words to music
It's much more than "the style of his vocal works"- this would mean only the composition, but it has to do with the combination of both. It has nothing at all to do with recording!!!
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Jonathan MacKerron
: my take as well
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Tilman Lichter
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Bernhard Sulzer
: this is mostly used to decribe the process, although it doesn't really do the whole process justice (IMO).:)
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Wagner Azevedo
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Ingeborg Gowans (X)
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musical setting of language
...is backed by an amazing one google hit! A rather classy reference though: Somewhere insinde the "Proceedings of the Royal Musical Association", 25th Session 1898/1899 it reads
"They must have felt that this was as much a new creation demanding genius to conceive as any musical setting of language" (Joseph Goddard: The Philosophy of the Higher Beauty of Music).
Hope it makes you wiser. I reckon this suggestion doesn't require a great of creativity to come up with after Diana's answer, but I feel that "language" should be used rather than "words" because it's not simply about finding the right notes for a number of single words and lining them up, but about setting patterns which emerge on a higher level than that of single words like the intonation of sentences. These patterns are more than the sum of their parts, and while "words" can mean more than a bunch of randomly sorted flashcards, "language" clearly does mean greater patterns. After all, the author chose to write "Sprachvertonung" rather than "Wortvertonung".
Scientists of the University discussed (the) fundamental features of the musical setting of language in Mozart's vocal oeuvre.
Scientists of the University discussed (the) fundamental features of Mozart's setting of language in his vocal oeuvre.
Notes (without relevance to the question): I can't tell whether to use the article here because there is a mistake in the German sentence (word missing/wrong case).
As for the "fundamentalen Aspekte", maybe I have just a too imaginative way of understanding words, but I find the idea of an aspect of an object, i. e. of a way of looking at the object, as being fundamental for the object odd. Aspects of Mozart's compositions may lay the foundation for the opinions and musical ways of expression of other people studying the compositions, but the are not fundamental for the compositions themselves. By contrast, "feature" is something inherent to the object, and may therefore be fundamental for it.
I don't know if I'm making myself clear and it doesn't really matter anyway.
"They must have felt that this was as much a new creation demanding genius to conceive as any musical setting of language" (Joseph Goddard: The Philosophy of the Higher Beauty of Music).
Hope it makes you wiser. I reckon this suggestion doesn't require a great of creativity to come up with after Diana's answer, but I feel that "language" should be used rather than "words" because it's not simply about finding the right notes for a number of single words and lining them up, but about setting patterns which emerge on a higher level than that of single words like the intonation of sentences. These patterns are more than the sum of their parts, and while "words" can mean more than a bunch of randomly sorted flashcards, "language" clearly does mean greater patterns. After all, the author chose to write "Sprachvertonung" rather than "Wortvertonung".
Scientists of the University discussed (the) fundamental features of the musical setting of language in Mozart's vocal oeuvre.
Scientists of the University discussed (the) fundamental features of Mozart's setting of language in his vocal oeuvre.
Notes (without relevance to the question): I can't tell whether to use the article here because there is a mistake in the German sentence (word missing/wrong case).
As for the "fundamentalen Aspekte", maybe I have just a too imaginative way of understanding words, but I find the idea of an aspect of an object, i. e. of a way of looking at the object, as being fundamental for the object odd. Aspects of Mozart's compositions may lay the foundation for the opinions and musical ways of expression of other people studying the compositions, but the are not fundamental for the compositions themselves. By contrast, "feature" is something inherent to the object, and may therefore be fundamental for it.
I don't know if I'm making myself clear and it doesn't really matter anyway.
Note from asker:
Regarding the "fundamentalen Aspekten" - that would be my take too. It´s a rather odd text - presumably the cut-and-paste edit of a longer, more detailed discussion. |
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Bernhard Sulzer
: very apt (IMO): "musical setting of words/text/language" or maybe "language etc. in (a) musical setting."
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German term (edited):
Sprachvertonung (or: Wort-Ton-Verhältnis)
relation(ship) between words and music
Is what is meant in this context. To my knowledge, Wort-Ton-Verhältnis is the preferable German term. Studying medieval (and earlier) up to modern vocal music (e. g. J. S. Bach’s Cantatas, or F. Schubert’s song cycles “Die Schöne Müllerin” and “Winterreise”), you will encounter an abundance of musical means used to emphasize the meaning of the sung words. It would probably take more than one Wikipedia article to provide a more detailed explanation together with examples. (Surprisingly to me, I haven’t been able to find a single relevant Wikipedia article on this issue.)
Alternatively, you could use “word-music combination/relation”.
Examples:
http://tiny.cc/szSjR
http://tiny.cc/AY4KR
There was a close ***relationship between the words and the music***. Composers wanted to enhance the meaning and emotion of the text, and did so by means of ‘word painting’ i.e. : trying to project poetic imagery through link between music and words. As vocal music was more important, most music was sung a cappella.
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Western_Music_History/Renaissan...
‘Dryden’s and Brady’s words,’ she avers, by way of example, ‘while delightful, are not in themselves musical...Though they praise music as a creative principle, they also move away from the ***relation between words and music*** conceptually’
http://sscm-jscm.press.uiuc.edu/v6/no2/walkling.html
The book will comprise a study of the various ways in which the ***relation between words and music*** has been theorised and practised, with a view to demonstrating how theology, a discipline which of necessity involves words, can comes to terms with and benefit from phenomena that cannot be reduced to the order of words, such as music.
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/itia/publications.html
The relation between words and music has always been a central issue in opera. How would you describe the way this relation works in The Gambler?
http://tiny.cc/8Jjjw
"Opera as Expression: Notes on the Relation between Words and Music," The Hudson Review, Summer 1976
Alternatively, you could use “word-music combination/relation”.
Examples:
http://tiny.cc/szSjR
http://tiny.cc/AY4KR
There was a close ***relationship between the words and the music***. Composers wanted to enhance the meaning and emotion of the text, and did so by means of ‘word painting’ i.e. : trying to project poetic imagery through link between music and words. As vocal music was more important, most music was sung a cappella.
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Western_Music_History/Renaissan...
‘Dryden’s and Brady’s words,’ she avers, by way of example, ‘while delightful, are not in themselves musical...Though they praise music as a creative principle, they also move away from the ***relation between words and music*** conceptually’
http://sscm-jscm.press.uiuc.edu/v6/no2/walkling.html
The book will comprise a study of the various ways in which the ***relation between words and music*** has been theorised and practised, with a view to demonstrating how theology, a discipline which of necessity involves words, can comes to terms with and benefit from phenomena that cannot be reduced to the order of words, such as music.
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/itia/publications.html
The relation between words and music has always been a central issue in opera. How would you describe the way this relation works in The Gambler?
http://tiny.cc/8Jjjw
"Opera as Expression: Notes on the Relation between Words and Music," The Hudson Review, Summer 1976
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