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Feb 23, 2016 21:19
8 yrs ago
German term

\"Musenkind\"

German to English Other Food & Drink
This is used as a product name for a beer.
As there are a few others which are quite easy to translate ("Tausendsassa"...), I feel I should ftranslate this one as well. I have however never heard the word before and I can't find any info on what the word actually means. Has anyone come across it or read about it?
Thank you for your assistance !
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 Pegasus beer
3 child of (the) muses
3 Jag
3 wordsmith
2 Brewer's Muse

Discussion

Johanna Timm, PhD Feb 25, 2016:
Musenkinder are children of the muses, i.e. Orpheus (son of Calliope), Hyacinth (son of Clio ), Rhesus (son of Terpsichore). There actually is a brewing company in Georgia called Orpheus Brewing... how about a glass of Orpheus Porter :-)?
CAK Feb 24, 2016:
Es scheint auch so, als wären 'Tausendsassa', 'Lebenskünstler' und 'Musenkind' teil einer Serie. (Inhaltlich, aber auch visuell durch das große Pferd auf dem Logo abgehoben.) Dementsprechend würde ich dieses Schema von Personenbeschreibungen beibehalten.
CAK Feb 24, 2016:
@ Marga Shaw: Stimmt. Nicht nur, weil sie u.U. den Produktnamen beibehalten wollen, sondern auch, weil z.B. 'Pegasus' in beiden Sprachen funktioniert und bei einem Pferd als Logo durchaus auch als zukünftiges Produkt denkbar wäre. Kann natürlich auch sein, sie sind ganz hin und weg.
Marga Shaw Feb 24, 2016:
Es wäre doch wohl besser, die Bezeichnung mit dem Kunden zu besprechen und ihm die Entscheidung zu überlassen (s.u.)
CAK Feb 24, 2016:
@Lancashireman

Like mentioned by others, 'Musensohn' or (more seldom) 'Musentochter' is strongly associated with artists like poets or musicians. 'Musenkind' might simply be a gender-neutral approach and you'll find a couple of homepages of German artists using it as such. 'Pegasus' as a symbol of inspiration (and through his connection to the muses) is certainly in the same ballpark and a great find (and I wouldn't mind at all if Daniel chose it), but I'm not sure if it conveys the same idea and image.
Marga Shaw Feb 24, 2016:
Im Deutschen kennt man den den Begriff 'Musensohn' = ein 'Poet'. Deshalb dachte ich an die Bezeichnung 'Der Poet'. Als ich dann gegoogelt habe, sah ich jedoch, dass es bereits ein so bezeichnetes Bier gibt. Allerdings habe ich nicht nachgesehen, ob es sich dabei um ein eingetragenes Warenzeichen handelt.
Eigentlich sollte hier am besten der Kunde gefragt werden. Es könnte nämlich gut sein, dass er die deutsche Bezeichnung "Das Musenkind" beibehalten möchte.
Edith Kelly Feb 24, 2016:
@Daniel guten Morgen. Es wäre besser, du würdest die Frage nicht in Gänsefüßchen und mit Schrägstrich stellen. Denn so kann man Frage/Antwort nicht im Glossar finden, was schade ist.
Silke Walter Feb 23, 2016:
Someone is "kissed by a muse", is inspired by a muse (there are nine different for different disciplines), a child must be even more inspired. But as far as I know "Musenkind" is a neologism.
Daniel Arnold (X) (asker) Feb 23, 2016:
Thanks Silke, I still dont know what that would be. Not much to find for muse child either, except for furniture and toys..... What's special about that kind of person described by this word?
Silke Walter Feb 23, 2016:
Descendants from mythological muses. Created by muses.

Proposed translations

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4 hrs
German term (edited): Musenkind porter
Selected

Pegasus beer

Back to the aftermath of Pegasus’s birth. Parentless, he was raised by the Muses at Mount Helicon, where he was taken by goddess Athena. In all of his excitement for being given to those women, Pegasus was striking the side of the mountain with his hooves and his marks caused springs to turn into flowing fountains of inspiration. Those springs became sacred to the Muses who loved and respected the “flying horse”.

http://www.greekmyths-greekmythology.com/pegasus-winged-hors...

But this is the clincher. Take a look at the label on the bottle of Musenkind:
http://www.beerbottle.eu/shop/brauerei-raschhofer/raschhofer...
It shows a black winged horse on a purple background. This was clearly the association the brewery had in mind for this porter beer.
Pegasus beer gives you wings
Peer comment(s):
agree Ramey Rieger (X) : To your good health!
5 hrs
neutral BrigitteHilgner : The horse seems to be part of the company logo, it is used for more than one type of beer. http://www.raschhoferbier.at/
5 hrs
Asker: " I have however never heard the word before and I can't find any info on what the word actually means. Has anyone come across it or read about it?"
agree Kristina Cosumano (X) : Well done!
7 hrs
Thanks, KC.
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26 mins

child of (the) muses

Note from asker:
Thanks Michael. It helped me understand what it (roughly) wants to convey. Your proposal is too long for a name that'll fit on a beer bottle label ;-( BUt I wonder what you think of "Wunderkind".... it's used in English as well and comes across (maybe) a bit like "Musenkind" but is yet a word that'll be understood by English-speaking normal people ?
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6 hrs

Jag

cute for a beer name and would incorporate all the psychological aspects involved ... and click in with the muse idea of giving impetus

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Note added at 7 hrs (2016-02-24 04:23:54 GMT)
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but a lot of poetic licence so ...
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2 days 38 mins

wordsmith

or ink-slinger (though slightly derogatory, it seems like a label that the target audience (which seems to be hipsters, going by the campaign) might ironically 'own'. )

There are three beers in that series: 'Tausendsassa', 'Lebenskünstler' and 'Musenkind'.
All three seem to describe creative, bohemian types.
All three are also somewhat creative sounding words.

In German, 'Musensohn' and -tochter seem to be mostly associated with poets.
So for lack of finding a broader similar term for artist, or one that would be a closer fit to the original, I'd go with one of the above.


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Note added at 2 days1 hr (2016-02-25 23:01:49 GMT)
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Dream merchant? (Dreamweaver being out of the question, I guess.)
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3 days 3 hrs

Brewer's Muse

Tausendsassa, Lebenskünstler, Musenkind
Whizzkid, Lucky Bastard, Brewer's Muse
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