Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

Vaisseau

English translation:

Ships-of -the-line

Added to glossary by pooja_chic
Mar 3, 2011 14:52
13 yrs ago
1 viewer *
French term

Vaisseau

French to English Tech/Engineering Ships, Sailing, Maritime Shipbuilding in the 17th
One more from the series before I wrap this up... Another seemingly simple, yet emminently slippery term! For most of the text I have translated this simply as "vessel", but I'm afraid that in two occurences I am going to have to be more decisive.

The text generally deals with what I gather are ships of the line, but the French text never comes out and says "vaisseaux de ligne", which worries me. Consider the first occurence of the term "vaisseau":

"Objectif : construire et entretenir une flotte formidable de 120 navires dont 80 *vaisseaux*."
My translation as it stands:
"Their objective was to construct and maintain a formidable fleet of 120 ships, including 80 *warships*."

Here is the second occurence:

"Au sommet de la hiérarchie des navires de guerre se trouve le *vaisseau*.
On peut le voir essentiellement comme une plate-forme d’artillerie.
Issu du lourd navire du Moyen Age conçu comme un château-fort flottant, le vaisseau se transforme lorsque les progrès de l’artillerie permettent de placer les canons sur les flancs du navire, la coque étant percée d’ouvertures adaptées, les sabords."

My tentative translation (I'm dubious as to whether "ships of the line" is a judicious choice):

"The *ship of the line* was ranked at the top of the hierarchy of warships.
It can essentially be considered a platform for artillery.
Derived from the heavy medieval ship that was really a floating fortified castle, the vessel was transformed as artillery progressed. Cannons could be set into the sides of the ship, and openings for them, called gun ports, set into the hull."

Again, for images of this, please see http://www.musee-marine.fr/public/virtuel/construction_naval...

Thank you!!
Change log

Mar 8, 2011 08:56: pooja_chic Created KOG entry

Discussion

pooja_chic Mar 3, 2011:
verslanglais......your translation is correct
Veronica Coquard (asker) Mar 3, 2011:
Thank you, Liz. Yep, been there, done that (as far as Wikipedia) - I just found another rich page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_nautical_terms
As for the sentence, it just seemed a bit long with all the clauses at the end. But I digress. ;-)
liz askew Mar 3, 2011:
and

..the battleship was at the top of the warship hierarchy ...
liz askew Mar 3, 2011:
I don't see why you have started a new sentence.

....the battleship was transformed when advances/developments in artillery enabled cannons to be positioned...[or similar]....
meirs Mar 3, 2011:
Man of War was also used for a battleship
Veronica Coquard (asker) Mar 3, 2011:
The only problem is that... ...This is the resulting phrase, for the 2nd occurence:
"The *battleship* was ranked at the top of the hierarchy of warships." Admittedly, the French version is just as vague, but I hesitate.

Proposed translations

1 hr
Selected

Ships-of -the-line

http://www.shipmodel.com/models/le-vaisseau-admiralty-st
A classically constructed full 'Admiralty' style model of a typical 74-gun ship, as found in the French Navy around 1780. shows every construction detail explored in Boudriot research from The Seventy-Four Gun Ship. 74-gun ship-of-the-line represents the expression of the art of the naval architect and formed the backbone of the fleets in the latter part of the 18th century. Boudriot has based this work on the 74’ of around 1780: the ships that fought in the American War of Independence and later in the French Revolutionary & Napoleonic Wars from 1793 to 1815

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2011-03-03 16:36:51 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/fr~nav.html#ccd
Ship-of-the-Line Captain (Capitaine de Vaisseau) i

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2011-03-03 16:38:23 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6170030/French_Navy
Ranks are provided
Note from asker:
Nice link! Thanks!
Something went wrong...
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you pooja-chic! You were the first to confirm my findings, so thank you!"
+2
1 hr

ship-of-the-line

Why not put it something like: ships-of-the-line were the vanguard/most formidable vessels of the maritime force (navy)?
Peer comment(s):

agree Jack Dunwell : Would this be a First-rater, Mr K?
1 hr
If they had 100 cannons. Thanks for the vote.
agree Graham macLachlan
1 hr
Thanks for the vote.
Something went wrong...
7 mins

battleship

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WYx8Z61...

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 11 mins (2011-03-03 15:03:58 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Q3iAKTY...


The word battleship refers to ships that were built for war between the 15th and 20th century. These ships had powerful guns, armor, and were mostly used in times when major world powers were trying to expand their colonies and establish their trade routes. The word "battleships" is often used interchangeably with "warships," which is incorrect. Warship is the category of naval vessels that are built to fight wars, whereas battleships had typical specifications and belonged to a particular period of time.

The earlier battleships used to make "castles" aboard ships, which were raised platforms used by archers, and later they were strengthened enough to mount large guns. The British naval supremacy was maintained over the other rival naval powers, such as France, Spain and Netherlands, for a considerable time due to constant improvements to their shipbuilding technology. In the 17th century, a fleet would consist of two-decker, three-decker and four decker ships that later went on to be used in the historical Napoleonic wars. The 18th century battleships used the revolutionary exploding-shell technology, which not only resulted in the introduction of iron/steel armor, but also rendered other ships obsolete. The irony however, is that even though British naval superiority was widely prevalent, the French were almost always the first to produce better versions, such as the largest three decker Valmy, the first steam battleship Le Napoléon, or the first "Ironclad" La Gloire. The last decades of the 18th century saw a number of experimental ships being built, which resulted in the induction of the turbine engines that laid foundation for the "Dreadnought" class of warships.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 12 mins (2011-03-03 15:05:44 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

I live near Portsmouth Dockyard where "HMS Victory" is and have been to the naval museums there...wonderful!

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2 hrs (2011-03-03 17:22:24 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Ship of the Line
Ships of the Line were the most powerful sailing battleships afloat. They remained at the top until the advent of steam in the late 19th century. ...
www.woodentallships.com/ship-of-the-line.htm - Cached - Similar

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2 hrs (2011-03-03 17:27:14 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yquUy9M...


French battleships of the end of 18th century were considered to be the best vessels of their class. There were only a few battleships like the Royal Louis in a navy. At that time many fleets had three-decked battleships, but in 1780, however, none but the French navy had a 120-gun battleship.

If you have a look at the model, a thing that produces the utmost impression is the grand ornaments. By the end of 18th century most fleets, especially the British Navy, gave up decorating their ships luxuriously. But the French continued building the stern with richly carved galleries and balconies. The model's first-class castings reproduce these wonderful ornate carvings of the original Royal Louis perfectly.
Something went wrong...
Term search
  • All of ProZ.com
  • Term search
  • Jobs
  • Forums
  • Multiple search