Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
titres réguliers non prescrits
English translation:
valid, subsisting documents of title
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titres réguliers non prescrits
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Proposed translations
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| 3 +2 | valid, subsisting documents of title |
AllegroTrans
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| 4 +1 | valid titles not time-barred |
Béatrice Sylvie Lajoie
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| 4 | good-root, valid muniments of unextinguished title |
Adrian MM. (X)
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Oct 16, 2010 14:59: AllegroTrans Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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valid, subsisting documents of title
As many know, I dislike trying to "convert" phrases like this into English/common law legal terms, which invariably have quite different meanings from their French counterparts.
I think the construction I have suggested covers the notion whilst avoiding this problem.
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Note added at 1 day9 hrs (2010-10-03 18:51:15 GMT)
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I agree with Tom Thumb's point - it's not the documents that are subsisting, but the title to which they relate
"Valid documents evidencing subsisting title" gets over this
I think the construction I have suggested covers the notion whilst avoiding this problem.
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Note added at 1 day9 hrs (2010-10-03 18:51:15 GMT)
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I agree with Tom Thumb's point - it's not the documents that are subsisting, but the title to which they relate
"Valid documents evidencing subsisting title" gets over this
Note from asker:
| This came up again -- so thanks again! |
Peer comment(s):
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Adrian MM. (X)
: subsisting is ambiguous and could mean that the paper documents and deeds either are still in existence or are unhit by a long-stop (specialty - you'll know what that means) time limit, rather than that the underlying incidents of title are 'good'
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thanks, I agree..could be got around by using "valid documents evidencing subsisting title"
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Notarially L (X)
: a brilliant answer accommodating both French and English/Irish conveyancing practice
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thank you
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GeoS
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thank you
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Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
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Béatrice Sylvie Lajoie
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valid titles not time-barred
13 Aug 1997 ... The role of land title records in modern American conveyancing, ... likewise appear in the land title records with valid titles. ...
www.murdoch.edu.au/elaw/.../thomas42.html -
'The rights of the persons and property of the inhabitants of the territory .... All valid titles to land within the other territories ceded to the United ...
ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/US/68/68.US.412.html
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CristianaC
: I think valid title is enough
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Thanks. Maybe it is enough, but since they specified it in French, I would also do it in English.
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good-root, valid muniments of unextinguished title
Muniments on the Brit. Isles refer to land whereas, in the US, they may refer to personal property, such as chattels.
Conversely, deeds in the US usually refer to land - not so in other Eng-speaking countries.
Good root of title: in E&W, 1. normally proof of such which is no more than 15 years back in time vs. Ireland where it can be 20-40 years' old 2. showing a continuous chain of ownership and 3. containing nothing to cast doubt on the title.
Conversely, deeds in the US usually refer to land - not so in other Eng-speaking countries.
Good root of title: in E&W, 1. normally proof of such which is no more than 15 years back in time vs. Ireland where it can be 20-40 years' old 2. showing a continuous chain of ownership and 3. containing nothing to cast doubt on the title.
Example sentence:
Muniments: documents such as deeds or titles proving ownership of property www.yourdictionary.com/business/muniments-of-title
In Ireland a vendor has to produce {usually a conveyance for value but some other instruments qualify also) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deeds_registration
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AllegroTrans
: Is root of title a concept of French property law? Your translation seems very slanted towards common law, which could cause confusion to its reader, since this is neither US or the Brit. Isles but France
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good root is a deep-structure meaning - you will know the school of linguistics referred to - and incorporates the idea both of regularity of the 'titles' and time-unbarred.
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Discussion
Then let's have an exposition on the meaning of titres: either the deeds or underlying titles or both are time-unbarred.
I'm not convinced by this.