Jun 13, 2022 07:20
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French term

en lots séparés

French to English Tech/Engineering Construction / Civil Engineering
A company has two activities:

"constructeur bois en lot séparés"

which I understand to mean it completes a particular component of a construction job, and:

"constructeur bois clés en main"

which I understand means they do the job from A to Z.

I've read several websites about the bidding process in construction but have found no term equivalent to "en lots séparés".

Any ideas? Thank you!
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Discussion

Conor McAuley Jun 14, 2022:
Lot (suite et fin) "a number of units of an article, a single article, or a parcel of articles offered as one item (as in an auction sale)"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lot
Conor McAuley Jun 14, 2022:
Not at all, it's all on-topic. I think that's a wrap now anyway. Debate is healthy.
Bashiqa Jun 14, 2022:
@ Conor Time to call a halt to our discussion before the mods step in.
Conor McAuley Jun 14, 2022:
I've never heard anything else used, and I could almost say that I've studied project management.
The only alternative I have is "task bundle", which is only a bit less crude.

Maybe there's basically a lexical gap, in both languages.

A "work package" is what a properly organised client sends you when you're working on Trados, that's all it means to me.
Bashiqa Jun 14, 2022:
@ Conor Lots has been around a long time.
Work packages seems more appropriate for "office" tasks.
Conor McAuley Jun 14, 2022:
The EU uses the term "lots", in its Franglaisdeutsch way. I like "lots". Here is one, albeit bad, example:

https://ecs-org.eu/newsroom/greece-athens-call-for-tenders-o...

The term "work packages", for me, is terribly inelegant and Northern European, however correct it is.
Bashiqa Jun 14, 2022:
@ Asker FYI
A work package is a building block of the work breakdown structure that allows the project management to define the steps necessary for completion of the work. As such, a work package can be thought of as a sub-project, which, when combined with other work package units, form the completed project.
Sandra Petch (asker) Jun 13, 2022:
split-package (thanks Tony for package) This is about nuclear power plants but would apply to other types of construction:

5.5.1. Types of contractual approach

Basically, there are three different types of contractual approach which have been applied so far for NPP stations, namely:


Turnkey approach, where a single contractor or a consortium of contractors takes the overall technical responsibility for the whole works;


Split-package approach, where the overall technical responsibility is divided between a relatively small number of contractors, each building a large section of the works;


Multi-contract approach, where the owner or his architect-engineer (A/E) assumes overall responsibility for engineering the station, issuing a large number of contracts.
Conor McAuley Jun 13, 2022:
I'm fairly sure that Bashiqa is right. One scheduled delivery of a bigger overall order, further to a call for tender split into lots:

Tender, negotiation and deadline | The Real Estate Authorityhttps://www.rea.govt.nz › real-estate-professionals › ten...
Prospective buyers will be asked to fill in a legally binding tender agreement, which includes the tendered price and conditions of sale.


clés en mains : turnkey

Proposed translations

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in / as separate work packages

When a project is divided, generally along the lines of different trades (foundations, roofing, HVAC, joinery, etc.), it is said to have been divided into work packages.

See https://www.projectfacts.com/glossary/work-package.html

"Work package is a subset of a project that can be assigned to a specific party for execution. Because of the similarity, work packages are often misidentified as projects."



Peer comment(s):

agree Daryo
12 hrs
agree Philippe Etienne
1 day 5 hrs
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks also to Tony for "packages"."
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split-batch

split-batch or split-lot wood constructor, as opposed to constructeur bois clés en main : turnkey wood constructor.

In UK real estate / land law, 'lotting' - a term that some ProZ translators have a problem with - is the process of plots being built on, esp. on a housing estate.
Example sentence:

a corresponding split-lot design, the construction of. 2k-p (or 3k-p) split-lot designs will be accomplished instead.

Note from asker:
@Tony - I understand that is what is meant here: this company fulfills one aspect of the contract for the construction (in this case, it builds the timber frame).
Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : I think this is a different kind of 'lot' here, and refers to work packages withn the contract.
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separate lots

Lot is one part of total contract.
He might quote for main construction only, leaving someone else to complete "finishing lot".

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Note added at 1 day 4 hrs (2022-06-14 11:56:28 GMT) Post-grading
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I should have put a confidence level of 5.
Note from asker:
Thanks. All the refs. to lots that I found referred to the plots of land being built on.
Peer comment(s):

agree JaneD : Yes, tenders are divided into lots. It's a common term. See my reference.
44 mins
Thank you.
agree Anastasia Kalantzi
2 hrs
Thank you.
agree Conor McAuley : Used by the EU. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/calls-for-tenders/calls-fo... "LOT 1" "LOT 2" / I've used "lot" for 20 years with no complaints, zero.
1 day 4 hrs
Thank you.
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Reference comments

49 mins
Reference:

What are "lots" in procurement?

See pdf reference.
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Tony M : Yes, many users prefer the term 'work packages', where applicable.
51 mins
agree Yvonne Gallagher
3 hrs
agree Daryo
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