French term
un métier irréfragable qui en permet l'accomplissement
This refers to the painter Lucien Simon. To be frank I don't fully understand what the sentence means. Here it is:
"Son enseignement libéral est fondé sur un métier irréfragable qui en permet l'accomplissement."
I'd really appreciate your ideas.
Thank you.
another word for irrefutable....... | writeaway |
Proposed translations
His generous approach to teaching is founded upon his undeniable mastery, assuring its effectiveness
a true craft / calling / métier which permitted him to succeed at it
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'it' being the enseignement. I imagine this means he was an excellent painter himself - without peer even - who based his teaching on these skills.
unquestionable therefore possible
'En' refers to 'métier' IMO.
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Note added at 1 hr (2009-03-06 14:03:40 GMT)
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I think "métier" is referring to his profession as an artist, not as a teacher. Fred Bloggs acquires skills as an artist, not as a teacher - so the "en" in the second sentence also refers to "art".
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No, I've got it now (I think). He had unquestionable talent as an artist which made him a good teacher - and Fred Bloggs a good artist...
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Bourth (X)
: Yup, keep it Anglo-Saxonly simple with "possible".
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Thanks, Bourth.
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undeniable professional skills, which ensured its success
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Helen Shiner
: Yes, we understand it in the same way - I think this is another good solution.
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Tamara Salvio
: or just "skill" instead of skills
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Yes, it could be "skill", though the plural implies a wide range of skills applied to his teaching.
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incontestable professionalism ensuring success
an indubitable profession which makes it possible
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OK, so "en" has to refer to "enseignement". The suggestion therefore is that he is not - horror of horrors - a fully trained art teacher knowing all the theory, as any Frenchman would expect an art teacher to be, just a smart bloke who knows how to paint (and convey his skills, presumably). How unFrench! It's this cultural difference as much as anything that makes the meaning difficult to capture (esp. without context ;-) ).
So we have, in simple terms, "His liberal teaching was based on - and made possible by - an unquestionably high level of skill and experience"
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Which really makes the bloke sound rather ordinary, compared to the French, where I tend to see him sitting on Apollo's right ....
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writeaway
: touché
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Keep your guard up!
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Helen Shiner
: Perhaps it means 'based on his true métier (painting), which allowed him to succeed in it (the enseignement). Utterly convoluted, but without further context, impossible to say more really.
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David Vaughn
: I understand métier here as habilité, maïtrise
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Indeed, the second question and fuller context makes this clear.
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unimpeachable technique
Further to what's already been discussed, the artist probably lacks actual teaching credentials, thus casting doubt (for the French, as Bourth says) on his qualifications or even ability to effectively teach. This notion is reinforced by the mention of his "enseignement liberal", or freewheeling teaching methods, in contrast to his technique, on which no doubt can be cast. "Irrefragable" is an interesting choice of words with its legal basis and emphasizes the flawlessness of the technique which in the end made him an effective teacher.
"flawless technique" may also be an option for that matter...
a veritable trade which make it possible to accomplish the skills required
"The foundations of [his[ teaching lie in a veritable trade which make it possible to accomplish the skills required."
You may wish to chop and change it further to fit your particular rendering.
"Son enseignement libéral est fondé sur un métier irréfragable qui en permet l'accomplissement."
http://www.mediadico.com/dictionnaire/synonymes/irrefragable...
> irréfragable = irréfutable, irrécusable, éclatant, certain, inattaquable, incontestable, catégorique, démontré, établi, évident, exact, formel, indiscutable, invincible, péremptoire, notoire, prouvé, sûr, véridique, véritable, vrai, avéré.
Reference comments
another word for irrefutable.......
Emprunté du bas latin irrefragabilis, « irréfutable », dérivé du latin classique refragari, « voter contre, s'opposer à ».
2. (Didactique) Qu’on ne peut contredire, qu’on ne peut récuser.
* Un témoignage irréfragable. Une autorité irréfragable.
Dérivés
* irréfragablement
Synonymes
* irréfutable
http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/irréfragable
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définitions
irréfragable (adj.)
1.qui ne peut être contredit ou récusé (ex. un témoignage irréfragable).
synonymes
irréfragable (nominal)
avéré, catégorique, certain, corroboré, de jure, démontré, établi, évident, exact, fixe, formel, inattaquable, incontestable, indéniable, indiscutable, indubitable, inébranlable, invincible, irrécusable, irréfutable, irrésistible, logique, notoire, péremptoire, positif, probant, prouvé, solide, sûr, véridique, véritable, vrai
http://dictionnaire.sensagent.com/irréfragable/fr-fr/
Thanks. Petit Robert said the same :-) |
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Helen Shiner
: or indisputable - but I would avoid all of these hefty terms here and try and find something positive to use instead./So my suggestion of 'true' - see response to Bourth - might not be so far off then!/Of course, there is never just one solution!
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just found/added another list of synonyms. //not so sure in the actual context (has been added) I think there are a number of possibilities.
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Discussion
Here is the text just before and in full:
"Fred Blogs" entre aux Beaux-Arts dans la classe de Lucien Simon. L'enseignement libéral de ce membre de l'Institut est fondé sur un métier irréfragable qui en permet l'accomplissement. Blogs en acquiert les fondements qu'il met aussitôt en pratique."