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Mar 6, 2009 13:01
15 yrs ago
French term

un métier irréfragable qui en permet l'accomplissement

French to English Art/Literary Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
Hello

This refers to the painter Lucien Simon. To be frank I don't fully understand what the sentence means. Here it is:

"Son enseignement libéral est fondé sur un métier irréfragable qui en permet l'accomplissement."

I'd really appreciate your ideas.
Thank you.

Discussion

Sandra Petch (asker) Mar 6, 2009:
What exactly "en" refers to is one of my problems!

Here is the text just before and in full:

"Fred Blogs" entre aux Beaux-Arts dans la classe de Lucien Simon. L'enseignement libéral de ce membre de l'Institut est fondé sur un métier irréfragable qui en permet l'accomplissement. Blogs en acquiert les fondements qu'il met aussitôt en pratique."

polyglot45 Mar 6, 2009:
I suppose it means something like... is based on cast-iron skills that enable him to achieve what he sets out to do - not the same register but without the whole text to feel my way, I wouldn't dare try more than suggest a flavour

Proposed translations

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His generous approach to teaching is founded upon his undeniable mastery, assuring its effectiveness

His generous approach to teaching is founded upon undeniable mastery [of his field...], assuring its effectiveness.
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you Vaughn and everyone for helping me with this. I'm still finding the sentence slightly unfathomable and will add it to my list of queries for the author. Thanks again!"
46 mins

a true craft / calling / métier which permitted him to succeed at it

A stab

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'it' being the enseignement. I imagine this means he was an excellent painter himself - without peer even - who based his teaching on these skills.
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unquestionable therefore possible

I think the idea is that art (le métier) cannot be questioned (irréfragable), which is what makes it possible to be an artist.

'En' refers to 'métier' IMO.

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I think "métier" is referring to his profession as an artist, not as a teacher. Fred Bloggs acquires skills as an artist, not as a teacher - so the "en" in the second sentence also refers to "art".

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No, I've got it now (I think). He had unquestionable talent as an artist which made him a good teacher - and Fred Bloggs a good artist...
Peer comment(s):

agree Bourth (X) : Yup, keep it Anglo-Saxonly simple with "possible".
2 hrs
Thanks, Bourth.
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1 hr

undeniable professional skills, which ensured its success

This could mean that he might not have been a trained educator, but his professional skills as a painter were the basis of his success as a teacher.
Peer comment(s):

agree Helen Shiner : Yes, we understand it in the same way - I think this is another good solution.
2 mins
agree Tamara Salvio : or just "skill" instead of skills
1 day 1 hr
Yes, it could be "skill", though the plural implies a wide range of skills applied to his teaching.
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1 hr

incontestable professionalism ensuring success

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an indubitable profession which makes it possible

It's as much nonsense in English as in French unless we can know what we are talking about! What precedes this text? Does "en" refer back to something previous or to "enseignement", etc.

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OK, so "en" has to refer to "enseignement". The suggestion therefore is that he is not - horror of horrors - a fully trained art teacher knowing all the theory, as any Frenchman would expect an art teacher to be, just a smart bloke who knows how to paint (and convey his skills, presumably). How unFrench! It's this cultural difference as much as anything that makes the meaning difficult to capture (esp. without context ;-) ).

So we have, in simple terms, "His liberal teaching was based on - and made possible by - an unquestionably high level of skill and experience"

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Which really makes the bloke sound rather ordinary, compared to the French, where I tend to see him sitting on Apollo's right ....
Peer comment(s):

agree writeaway : touché
5 mins
Keep your guard up!
neutral Helen Shiner : Perhaps it means 'based on his true métier (painting), which allowed him to succeed in it (the enseignement). Utterly convoluted, but without further context, impossible to say more really.
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neutral David Vaughn : I understand métier here as habilité, maïtrise
2 hrs
Indeed, the second question and fuller context makes this clear.
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1 day 2 hrs

unimpeachable technique

unimpeachable in the sense of "beyond doubt or reproach", and technique in the sense of "the manner and skill with which artists employ their tools and materials to achieve a predetermined expressive effect" (see reference)

Further to what's already been discussed, the artist probably lacks actual teaching credentials, thus casting doubt (for the French, as Bourth says) on his qualifications or even ability to effectively teach. This notion is reinforced by the mention of his "enseignement liberal", or freewheeling teaching methods, in contrast to his technique, on which no doubt can be cast. "Irrefragable" is an interesting choice of words with its legal basis and emphasizes the flawlessness of the technique which in the end made him an effective teacher.

"flawless technique" may also be an option for that matter...

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a veritable trade which make it possible to accomplish the skills required

One of those you have to play around with quite a bit if you want to have any street cred! I have added to the start and end of the sentence :

"The foundations of [his[ teaching lie in a veritable trade which make it possible to accomplish the skills required."

You may wish to chop and change it further to fit your particular rendering.





"Son enseignement libéral est fondé sur un métier irréfragable qui en permet l'accomplissement."

http://www.mediadico.com/dictionnaire/synonymes/irrefragable...

> irréfragable = irréfutable, irrécusable, éclatant, certain, inattaquable, incontestable, catégorique, démontré, établi, évident, exact, formel, indiscutable, invincible, péremptoire, notoire, prouvé, sûr, véridique, véritable, vrai, avéré.


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Reference comments

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Reference:

another word for irrefutable.......

Origine et histoire de « irréfragable » Étymologie

Emprunté du bas latin irrefragabilis, « irréfutable », dérivé du latin classique refragari, « voter contre, s'opposer à ».

2. (Didactique) Qu’on ne peut contredire, qu’on ne peut récuser.

* Un témoignage irréfragable. Une autorité irréfragable.

Dérivés

* irréfragablement

Synonymes

* irréfutable



http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/irréfragable





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définitions

irréfragable (adj.)

1.qui ne peut être contredit ou récusé (ex. un témoignage irréfragable).

synonymes

irréfragable (nominal)

avéré, catégorique, certain, corroboré, de jure, démontré, établi, évident, exact, fixe, formel, inattaquable, incontestable, indéniable, indiscutable, indubitable, inébranlable, invincible, irrécusable, irréfutable, irrésistible, logique, notoire, péremptoire, positif, probant, prouvé, solide, sûr, véridique, véritable, vrai
http://dictionnaire.sensagent.com/irréfragable/fr-fr/
Note from asker:
Thanks. Petit Robert said the same :-)
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Helen Shiner : or indisputable - but I would avoid all of these hefty terms here and try and find something positive to use instead./So my suggestion of 'true' - see response to Bourth - might not be so far off then!/Of course, there is never just one solution!
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just found/added another list of synonyms. //not so sure in the actual context (has been added) I think there are a number of possibilities.
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