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Native in: French (Variant: Standard-France)
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demand disconnection
English to French
Tech/Engineering
Energy / Power Generation
interconnected power system
5.3 Methods of demand control
The type of demand control used by the transmission system operator (TSO) in any particular circumstances will depend upon the amount of time between the TSO becoming aware of the need for implementing demand control and the time at which it needs to be implemented. In the event of a sudden and unexpected loss of generation on the Interconnected Transmission System, the requisite demand control will normally be achieved by means of Automatic Load Shedding but, occasionally, emergency manual disconnection may additionally be required. In all cases when demand control is necessary, the TSO shall use **demand disconnection as the last option.
The type of demand control used by the transmission system operator (TSO) in any particular circumstances will depend upon the amount of time between the TSO becoming aware of the need for implementing demand control and the time at which it needs to be implemented. In the event of a sudden and unexpected loss of generation on the Interconnected Transmission System, the requisite demand control will normally be achieved by means of Automatic Load Shedding but, occasionally, emergency manual disconnection may additionally be required. In all cases when demand control is necessary, the TSO shall use **demand disconnection as the last option.
Proposed translations
(French)
| 4 +1 | déconnexion de la demande |
FX Fraipont (X)
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| 3 +1 | délestage |
Alain Boulé
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| 4 | déconnexion de la charge (du consommateur/de l'utilisateur) |
Johannes Gleim
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References
| deléstage |
Johannes Gleim
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Proposed translations
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3 mins
déconnexion de la demande
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Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Yves Antoine
: déconnexion à la demande...est un réseau de transmission, NON électrique !Contexte?
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| neutral |
Johannes Gleim
: Answer to Antoine's question: All other questions are related to electricity supply. I agree with "déconnecxion", but I doubt, whether the English term "demand" can be used in French, too.
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+1
6 mins
Alain Boulé
Native in French
Works in field
Technical translation by an engineer
Native in: French
Works in: English to French, German to French
Related KudoZ points
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100
délestage
Dans un réseau électrique, le délestage consiste à arrêter volontairement l'approvisionnement d'un ou de plusieurs consommateurs pour rétablir rapidement l'équilibre entre la production et la consommation du réseau
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Délestage_électrique
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Délestage_électrique
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
GILLES MEUNIER
: C'est le terme....
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Merci
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Tony M
: aka 'load shedding' in EN / I do not understand this 'disagree', which seems contrary to the logic even within the context given. / As confirmed exactly by Asker's response from customer.
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Merci
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Johannes Gleim
: demand control is a generic term, which includes automatic load shedding (rolling blackout), as well as manual disconnection (emergency manual disconnection, délestage in French), see context and Wikipedia.
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2 hrs
Johannes Gleim
Specializes in field
40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
Related KudoZ points
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91
déconnexion de la charge (du consommateur/de l'utilisateur)
Area Generation, transmission and distribution of electricity - Power systems planning and management / Power system control
IEV ref 603-04-03
en system demand control
the control of the power demand of the consumers on a power system
fr …..
ensemble des possibilités d'action sur les charges appelées sur un réseau
de Laststeuerung, f
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...
(Note: The generic term has not yet been standardized)
Area Generation, transmission and distribution of electricity - Operation / Quality of supply
IEV ref 604-01-40
en centralized telecontrol (of loads)
installations for the purpose of switching groups of either deferrable or interruptible loads by means of telecontrol exercised from a central point
fr télécommande centralisée (de charges)
installations permettant d'enclencher ou de déclencher, par télécommande à partir d'un point central, un ensemble de charges reportables ou interruptibles d'un même réseau
de zentrale Laststeuerung, f
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...
contrôle des charges du réseau [électr.] die Laststeuerung
http://dict.leo.org/frde/index_de.html#/search=Laststeuerung...
However both demand management and generation capacity require investment and any business or household making such investments need to know that a stable regulatory framework exists as to how electricity prices will be determined.
:
Tant la gestion de la demande que la capacité de production exigent toutefois des investissements et les entreprises ou les ménages qui réalisent ces investissements doivent pouvoir compter sur un cadre réglementaire stable pour la fixation du prix de l'électricité.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/Notice.do?mode=dbl&lang=en&lng1=en,...
(Note : the Term Demand control is cited in the document, but not translated. Anyway, demand management is similar to demand control or demand disconnection in terms of operations.)
3.3.
Configuration of 70% Rule
The EEG2012 states that the power at the point of common coupling (PCC) must be limited to transfer of max. 70% of installed nominal PV module power [kWp]. This limit is referred to as “70% of installed PV power”.
…
Note:
When an incorrect value of “70% of installed PV power” is entered, serious consequences can result. In the event that the 70% limit is exceeded, the DNO can demand disconnection of the installation from grid.
:
3.3.
Configuration de la règle des 70 %
La directive EEG2012 stipule que la puissance au niveau du point de couplage commun (PCC)
doit être limitée au transfert de 70 % max. de la puissance nominale du module photovoltaïque
installé [kWc]. Cette limite est appelée « 70 % de la puissance PV installée ». …
:
Remarque:
Une valeur de « 70 % de la puissance PV installée » incorrecte peut avoir de graves conséquences. Si la limite de 70 % est dépassée, le DNO peut exiger que l'installation soit déconnectée du réseau.
http://www.aegps.com/fileadmin/user_upload/MEDIA_PDFs_JPEGs/...
Need help to translate "Page d'accueil permettant la déconnexion d'un utilisateur." in English.
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2332785&lang...
Title LOAD CIRCUIT DISCONNECTION DETECTOR / DÉTECTEUR DE DÉCONNEXION D'UN CIRCUIT DE CHARGE
http://patent.ipexl.com/WO/2012ZZSLASHZZ077297.html
(54)
Automated mechanical disconnection of an electrical converter module in a frequency converter arrangement
Déconnexion mécanique automatique d’un module de convertisseur électrique dans un agencement de convertisseur de fréquence
https://data.epo.org/publication-server/pdf-document?PN=EP23...
IEV ref 603-04-03
en system demand control
the control of the power demand of the consumers on a power system
fr …..
ensemble des possibilités d'action sur les charges appelées sur un réseau
de Laststeuerung, f
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...
(Note: The generic term has not yet been standardized)
Area Generation, transmission and distribution of electricity - Operation / Quality of supply
IEV ref 604-01-40
en centralized telecontrol (of loads)
installations for the purpose of switching groups of either deferrable or interruptible loads by means of telecontrol exercised from a central point
fr télécommande centralisée (de charges)
installations permettant d'enclencher ou de déclencher, par télécommande à partir d'un point central, un ensemble de charges reportables ou interruptibles d'un même réseau
de zentrale Laststeuerung, f
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...
contrôle des charges du réseau [électr.] die Laststeuerung
http://dict.leo.org/frde/index_de.html#/search=Laststeuerung...
However both demand management and generation capacity require investment and any business or household making such investments need to know that a stable regulatory framework exists as to how electricity prices will be determined.
:
Tant la gestion de la demande que la capacité de production exigent toutefois des investissements et les entreprises ou les ménages qui réalisent ces investissements doivent pouvoir compter sur un cadre réglementaire stable pour la fixation du prix de l'électricité.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/Notice.do?mode=dbl&lang=en&lng1=en,...
(Note : the Term Demand control is cited in the document, but not translated. Anyway, demand management is similar to demand control or demand disconnection in terms of operations.)
3.3.
Configuration of 70% Rule
The EEG2012 states that the power at the point of common coupling (PCC) must be limited to transfer of max. 70% of installed nominal PV module power [kWp]. This limit is referred to as “70% of installed PV power”.
…
Note:
When an incorrect value of “70% of installed PV power” is entered, serious consequences can result. In the event that the 70% limit is exceeded, the DNO can demand disconnection of the installation from grid.
:
3.3.
Configuration de la règle des 70 %
La directive EEG2012 stipule que la puissance au niveau du point de couplage commun (PCC)
doit être limitée au transfert de 70 % max. de la puissance nominale du module photovoltaïque
installé [kWc]. Cette limite est appelée « 70 % de la puissance PV installée ». …
:
Remarque:
Une valeur de « 70 % de la puissance PV installée » incorrecte peut avoir de graves conséquences. Si la limite de 70 % est dépassée, le DNO peut exiger que l'installation soit déconnectée du réseau.
http://www.aegps.com/fileadmin/user_upload/MEDIA_PDFs_JPEGs/...
Need help to translate "Page d'accueil permettant la déconnexion d'un utilisateur." in English.
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2332785&lang...
Title LOAD CIRCUIT DISCONNECTION DETECTOR / DÉTECTEUR DE DÉCONNEXION D'UN CIRCUIT DE CHARGE
http://patent.ipexl.com/WO/2012ZZSLASHZZ077297.html
(54)
Automated mechanical disconnection of an electrical converter module in a frequency converter arrangement
Déconnexion mécanique automatique d’un module de convertisseur électrique dans un agencement de convertisseur de fréquence
https://data.epo.org/publication-server/pdf-document?PN=EP23...
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Tony M
: Why depart from the standard term? None of your refs. actually directly support your suggestion
2 hrs
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Reference comments
1 hr
Johannes Gleim
Specializes in field
40 years Engineer, 20 years translations
Native in: German
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 6 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
91
Reference:
deléstage
Dans un réseau électrique, le délestage consiste à arrêter volontairement l'approvisionnement d'un ou de plusieurs consommateurs pour rétablir rapidement l'équilibre entre la production et la consommation du réseau. Il s'agit d'une mesure de sauvegarde destinée à éviter les risques d'effondrement en tension ou en fréquence qui pourraient entraîner la coupure de la totalité d'un sous-réseau.
Il existe quatre types de délestage :
sur ordre, en fonction des heures de pointe de consommation;
sur comptage de l'énergie, en mesurant la moyenne de la puissance consommée en 10 secondes comparée à la puissance souscrite (tarif vert);
sur seuil de puissance et / ou de courant: dès qu'un seuil est dépassé, un relais de délestage coupe les départs non prioritaires;
sur seuil de fréquence.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Délestage_électrique
directly linked to:
A rolling blackout, also referred to as load shedding, is an intentionally engineered electrical power shutdown where electricity delivery is stopped for non-overlapping periods of time over different parts of the distribution region. Rolling blackouts are a last-resort measure used by an electric utility company to avoid a total blackout of the power system. They are a type of demand response for a situation where the demand for electricity exceeds the power supply capability of the network.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_blackout
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Note added at 1 hr (2013-04-02 12:54:05 GMT)
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Dynamic Demand is a similar concept:
Dynamic Demand is the name of a semi-passive technology for adjusting load demands on an electrical power grid. (It is also the name of an independent not-for-profit organization in the UK supported by a charitable grant from the Esmée Fairbairn Foundation dedicated to promoting this technology.) The concept is that by monitoring the frequency of the power grid, as well as their own control parameters, individual, intermittent loads would switch on or off at optimal moments to balance the overall system load with generation, reducing critical power mismatches. As this switching would only advance or delay the appliance operating cycle by a few seconds, it would be unnoticeable to the end user.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_demand_(electric_power)
Il existe quatre types de délestage :
sur ordre, en fonction des heures de pointe de consommation;
sur comptage de l'énergie, en mesurant la moyenne de la puissance consommée en 10 secondes comparée à la puissance souscrite (tarif vert);
sur seuil de puissance et / ou de courant: dès qu'un seuil est dépassé, un relais de délestage coupe les départs non prioritaires;
sur seuil de fréquence.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Délestage_électrique
directly linked to:
A rolling blackout, also referred to as load shedding, is an intentionally engineered electrical power shutdown where electricity delivery is stopped for non-overlapping periods of time over different parts of the distribution region. Rolling blackouts are a last-resort measure used by an electric utility company to avoid a total blackout of the power system. They are a type of demand response for a situation where the demand for electricity exceeds the power supply capability of the network.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_blackout
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Note added at 1 hr (2013-04-02 12:54:05 GMT)
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Dynamic Demand is a similar concept:
Dynamic Demand is the name of a semi-passive technology for adjusting load demands on an electrical power grid. (It is also the name of an independent not-for-profit organization in the UK supported by a charitable grant from the Esmée Fairbairn Foundation dedicated to promoting this technology.) The concept is that by monitoring the frequency of the power grid, as well as their own control parameters, individual, intermittent loads would switch on or off at optimal moments to balance the overall system load with generation, reducing critical power mismatches. As this switching would only advance or delay the appliance operating cycle by a few seconds, it would be unnoticeable to the end user.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_demand_(electric_power)
Discussion
Cf. IEC-definition of Demand control and Load shedding
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...
"the requisite demand control will normally be achieved by means of Automatic Load Shedding but, occasionally, emergency manual disconnection may additionally be required. In all cases when demand control is necessary, the TSO shall use demand disconnection as the last option."
It seems abundantly clear to me that the text is not saying that demand control = demand disconnection, but rather, that demand disconnection is one possible means used to achieve demand control.
In addition, it is clear that the intended meaning of the source text is that demand disconnection = Automatic Load Shedding + manual disconnection.
Hence we have délestage, which can be either automatic or manual.
Demand control consist of 1. Automatic load shedding, 2. demand disconnection. The 1st term is translated by "délestage". The 2nd term has no official translation in French. You cannot use "délestage" for both.