May 11 17:51
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and this woman was no exception

Non-PRO English Art/Literary Poetry & Literature
The Cordobesian (that’s how Argentinians call most people born in Cordoba, regardless of their traits or personality, and this woman was no exception) let me borrow her books. I read…

Do you think that the sentence is clear or do you think that it needs to be paraprhased? In this case, how would you change "and this woman was no exceptoin"?
Many thanks in advance.
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May 14, 2024 21:40: Daryo changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

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Non-PRO (3): Toni Castano, Yvonne Gallagher, Daryo

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Discussion

Daryo May 14:
I vote this question "Non-PRO" as the it was asked is definitely "Non-PRO", and very likely has nothing to do with translating.
Arabic & More May 13:
@Asker It would have been nice if you had responded to some of the questions here as people were genuinely trying to help.
Daryo May 13:
What is the purpose of this question?? Never mind Cordobesian vs cordobés/esa, there is a previous step that was skipped. You forgot to clarify if it is

a) a text you have written yourself and you are trying to improve it?

b) an original story written in English that you want to rephrase for clarity before translating it?

c) a translation that you want to improve?

The method to be used would be different in each scenario, so attempting any answer before knowing this "minor little detail" is utterly pointless.

So ... which one it is?

So far, the whole sentence makes little sense - sounds a bit strange. As in: where is added information that makes the "and this woman was no exception" part of any significance???
Lara Barnett May 13:
Source text Could we see the source text please?
With regard to "cordobese/Ian", I would keep the original Spanish, and add a short gloss or even just use speech marks to show this is the narrator's natural usage. This will also help relocate the reader to the Argentinian location.
As for the rest, you could be reading too much into it, when in fact it is simply saying that the personalities of Cordoba natives comes in all shapes and sizes (figuratively speaking). This kind of emphasis can get distorted when translating from Latin languages, if you do not restructure the phrases into native English style.
philgoddard May 13:
That's a good point. It's a strange sentence.
Arabic & More May 12:
Does the the word Cordobesa have a double-meaning? Why do the woman's character traits have to be mentioned at all? For example, if we call someone from Paris a Parisan, we would not say that we do this regardless of his character or personality.
Anna Wright May 12:
Exactly, Lara
It has to be:
'Cordobesa is what Argentinians call a woman from Córdoba ...'
Lara Barnett May 12:
Translation correction "...that’s WHAT Argentinians call most people born in C...".
Anna Wright May 12:
and, if the target readers are children, the lexis needs simplifying further, e.g.:
'The Cordobesa let me borrow her books. Cordobesa is the Spanish name that's usually given to a woman who comes from the city of Córdoba in Argentina, no matter what kind of person she is, including this woman.'
Anna Wright May 12:
Agreed. We need to see the Spanish source text to work out the exact meaning of "and this woman was no exception".
But, I'd suggest rewording it along the lines of:
'The Cordobesa let me borrow her books. Cordobesa is the standard Argentinian Spanish name for a woman from the city of Córdoba, whatever her particular character traits may be, and this woman was no exception to that general rule.'
philgoddard May 11:
This is a translation from Spanish, right? Could we see the original?
Also, you can't say that Argentinians use the word 'Cordobesian', because that's English. It's 'cordobesa', presumably.

Responses

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move 'most' to refer to 'Argentinians', rather than 'people born in ...'

The Cordobesian (that’s how Argentinians call most people born in Cordoba, regardless of their traits or personality, and this woman was no exception) let me borrow her books. I read…
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The Cordobesian (that’s how most Argentinians call people born in Cordoba, regardless of their traits or personality, and this woman was no exception) let me borrow her books. I read…

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Note added at 1 hr (2024-05-11 19:35:24 GMT)
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The 4th para here https://www.rae.es/tdhle/cordobesía may help to explain 'Cordobesian' in the ST:

"... esta voz no hace favor a los Cordobeses"
Peer comment(s):

agree Andrew Bramhall : Agree, though not sure the correct demonym is " Cordobesian", but rather 'cordovan';
49 mins
The gentilicio in ES is cordobés/esa; M-Webster says the English is 'Cordoban' (b, not v). But perhaps the ST author uses 'Cordobesian' to better suit this work of fiction, perhaps an allusion to 'obesity'?// See note added to my answer.
agree Chantale Flentge
12 hrs
neutral Daryo : This answer would make perfect sense if the aim is to improve Asker's own text - only thing is Proz and Kudoz are NOT aimed at wannabe writers but at translators.
3 days 3 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Many thanks to all of you!"
+1
5 mins

and that included/the same applied to this woman

The author calls this woman a Cordobesian, just like he calls every other person born in Cordoba, regardless of their traits or personality.

I hope this helps.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Cilian O'Tuama : What does CL5 signify for you? For some, it means there can be no better answer.
8 hrs
It means I am 100% sure that I've answered the question correctly. Because the question is: How would you change "and this woman was no exceptoin"? My answer means the exact same thing, jn other words, which again is the actual question. 5 means that
agree Anna Wright
21 hrs
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21 hrs

and this woman was no exception

You've expressed it so eloquently, no changes and obsession required! Your words convey the reality of the burdens we all inevitably face, irrespective of our choices.
Peer comment(s):

agree Susana E. Cano Méndez
2 hrs
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1 hr

so I'd just call her this way

The Cordobesian (that’s how Argentinians call most people born in Cordoba, regardless of their traits or personality, so I'd just call her this way) let me borrow her books. I read…

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Note added at 1 day 1 hr (2024-05-12 19:50:10 GMT)
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Another choice is to delete “and this woman was no exception”.
The sentence becomes:
The Cordobesian (that’s how Argentinians call most people born in Cordoba regardless of their traits or personality) let me borrow her books. I read…

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Note added at 1 day 2 hrs (2024-05-12 20:39:43 GMT)
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Not that the original sentence is not clear, it is just a little too serious to use “and this woman was no exception” in this context.
An example of using “and this woman was no exception” would be: “Everyone in that room at that time was a suspect, and this woman was no exception”.
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