Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
REV. PADRE FR. \\\"NOMBRE\\\"
English translation:
Reverend Father NAME O.F.M. / T.O.R. (etc.)
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Candace Holt Ryan
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Spanish term
REV. PADRE FR. \"NOMBRE\"
Spanish to English
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This is the way the name and title of the ordained Franciscan whose CV I am translating is written on the front page of the CV.
REV. must be Reverend. Padre obviously is Father. But what do I do with FR? Isn't fraile usually translated as "brother"? And if so, isn't it odd to write something like Reverend Father Brother "NAME"? Or Reverend Father Friar "NAME"?
Confieso mi ignorancia en cuanto a estos asuntos y les agradezco cualquier ayuda que puedan prestar.
REV. must be Reverend. Padre obviously is Father. But what do I do with FR? Isn't fraile usually translated as "brother"? And if so, isn't it odd to write something like Reverend Father Brother "NAME"? Or Reverend Father Friar "NAME"?
Confieso mi ignorancia en cuanto a estos asuntos y les agradezco cualquier ayuda que puedan prestar.
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4 +3 | Reverend Father NAME O.F.M. / T.O.R. (etc.) | Charles Davis |
3 +2 | Reverend Father Friar | Darius Saczuk |
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Reverend Father NAME O.F.M. / T.O.R. (etc.)
I hesitate to contradict Ileana, but in English, "Friar" is not used as a title, even for friars. It is only found as such in translations from Spanish (and perhaps from other languages).
Franciscans who have taken their vows are indeed friars. If they are not ordained, they are referred to as "Brother X". If they are, they are referred to as "Father X", with the initials corresponding to their order after their name. Formally, the title "Reverend Father" is used; it can be abbreviated to "Rev. Fr." Note that in English "Fr." stands for Father, not Friar.
So, I repeat, they are friars, but they are not called "Friar X".
"If you are writing to a priest who is a member of a religious order, you would add the initials of his community after his name, e.g. The Reverend Philip Amato, O.F.M. , or The Reverend Father Philip Amato, O.F.M. (1) A brother, one who has taken the vows of poverty, chastity and obedience in an order but has not received the Sacrament of Holy Orders, should always be called Brother, not Father. In written address, his initials would also follow his name, e.g., Brother Francis Marie, O.F.M."
http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/d003rpHowToAddres...
In the case of Franciscans, they will almost always be either "O.F.M" (Order of Friars Minor or Ordo Fratrum Minorum), if they are members of the first order, or "T.O.R." (Third Order Regular), if they are members of the third order. There can be other possibilities; a Capuchin will be O.F.M. Cap., for example. The CV you have should enable you to establish which is applicable in this case.
See the following list of "Franciscan Friars" at St. Francis University in Pennsylvania (all Third Order Regulars, in this case); those that are ordained are listed as "Father [Name] T.O.R." and those that are not ordained are listed as "Brother [Name] T.O.R.":
https://francis.edu/franciscan-friars/
Franciscans who have taken their vows are indeed friars. If they are not ordained, they are referred to as "Brother X". If they are, they are referred to as "Father X", with the initials corresponding to their order after their name. Formally, the title "Reverend Father" is used; it can be abbreviated to "Rev. Fr." Note that in English "Fr." stands for Father, not Friar.
So, I repeat, they are friars, but they are not called "Friar X".
"If you are writing to a priest who is a member of a religious order, you would add the initials of his community after his name, e.g. The Reverend Philip Amato, O.F.M. , or The Reverend Father Philip Amato, O.F.M. (1) A brother, one who has taken the vows of poverty, chastity and obedience in an order but has not received the Sacrament of Holy Orders, should always be called Brother, not Father. In written address, his initials would also follow his name, e.g., Brother Francis Marie, O.F.M."
http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/d003rpHowToAddres...
In the case of Franciscans, they will almost always be either "O.F.M" (Order of Friars Minor or Ordo Fratrum Minorum), if they are members of the first order, or "T.O.R." (Third Order Regular), if they are members of the third order. There can be other possibilities; a Capuchin will be O.F.M. Cap., for example. The CV you have should enable you to establish which is applicable in this case.
See the following list of "Franciscan Friars" at St. Francis University in Pennsylvania (all Third Order Regulars, in this case); those that are ordained are listed as "Father [Name] T.O.R." and those that are not ordained are listed as "Brother [Name] T.O.R.":
https://francis.edu/franciscan-friars/
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Reverend Father Friar
History of Saint Louis City and County: From the Earliest ...
https://books.google.com/books?id=lIk6AQAAIAAJ
1883 - Saint Louis (Mo.)
... most distinguished parishioners of the parish of said town, all assembled together in church, the Reverend Father Friar Bernardo de Limpach, Capuchin priest,
https://books.google.com/books?id=lIk6AQAAIAAJ
1883 - Saint Louis (Mo.)
... most distinguished parishioners of the parish of said town, all assembled together in church, the Reverend Father Friar Bernardo de Limpach, Capuchin priest,
Peer comment(s):
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Ileana Fernandez Oakes
: I belong to the Secular Franciscan Order, and that is exactly how the male members of the first order are named, Friars.
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Thank you, Ileana. Thanks for the info "straight from the friar's mouth". :-)
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Juan Jacob
: Fr. = fraile.
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Gracias, Juan.
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