Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
médecin inspecteur de Santé publique
English translation:
Public Health Medical Inspector
Added to glossary by
John Holland
Dec 14, 2012 11:24
11 yrs ago
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French term
médecin inspecteur de Santé publique
French to English
Medical
Medical (general)
job title
From a CV. The only context is that she became one by going to the Ecole des hautes etudes en sante publique...
Proposed translations
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4 +2 | Public Health Medical Inspector |
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4 | Medical Officer for Health (and Inspections) |
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3 | public health doctor |
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3 | Public health inspector |
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Dec 29, 2012 10:17: John Holland Created KOG entry
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Public Health Medical Inspector
That's what the degree program is called on the English version of the website of the École des hautes études en santé publique:
http://www.ehesp.fr/formation/formations-fonction-publique/m...
Also see: https://duckduckgo.com/?q="Public Health Medical Inspector"
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@ B D Finch
I think the issue is that in Anglophone countries, public health inspectors are not required to be medical doctors, whereas in France they are (certainly for the degree program in question).
In the UK, "Public Health Inspectors" are now called "Environmental Health Officers," and this is what they do (from: https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/advice/planning... ):
"As an environmental health officer or practitioner (EHO or EHP), you could deal with a wide range of issues including:
food safety
environmental protection
pollution control
noise control
health and safety at work
waste management
housing standards."
From the same site, the degree prerequisite is "an environmental health degree (BSc) or postgraduate degree (MSc) approved by the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health (CIEH)" plus plus on-the-job training plus exams.
Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_inspector
In the USA, a "public health inspector" is a lower-level position, requiring a B.A. if not an Associates (two-year, junior college degree). See: http://education-portal.com/articles/How_to_Become_a_Public_... . The next, more administrative level is "environmental health professional," which is similar to the UK role in terms of duties and training. See: http://www.bestpublichealthschools.org/how-to/how-to-become-...
Now, the "Médecin inspecteur de santé publique" or "Public Health Medical Inspector" deals with the same kind of issues:
"Métier
Statut : cadre de catégorie A
Le médecin inspecteur de santé publique exerce dans les services du ministre chargé de la santé :
agences régionales de santé (siège ou délégations territoriales de santé)
administration centrale
Ses fonctions sont variées :
conception, mise en œuvre, exécution, évaluation et contrôle de la politique de santé publique
organisation du système de soins
mise en œuvre de programmes de prévention et de promotion de la santé
rôle de veille et de sécurité sanitaire
formation et recherche en santé publique
Le médecin inspecteur de santé publique est amené à exercer aussi bien des missions techniques spécialisées comme la surveillance épidémiologique ou la prévention et la gestion de crises sanitaires que du management, de la conduite de projet ou programmes de recherche."
That's from the site of the program in question at the EHESP: http://www.ehesp.fr/formation/formations-fonction-publique/m...
It's an administrative position. I think it's comparable to the Master's level studies in the UK, such as: http://www.ehcareers.org/where_what/msc_content.html
But, and (at long last!) here's the point, to enroll in this program in France, one must first be a medical doctor. From the program's site (at http://www.ehesp.fr/formation/formations-fonction-publique/m... ):
"Conditions d’accès
Concours interne
Il est ouvert aux médecins fonctionnaires et agents de l’Etat, des collectivités territoriales et des établissements publics qui en dépendent ainsi qu’aux médecins en fonctions dans une organisation internationale intergouvernementale, justifiant au moins 3 années d’expérience.
Le candidat doit, en outre, être titulaire d’un des diplômes suivants :
diplôme d’études spécialisées de santé communautaire et médecine sociale,
diplôme d’études spécialisées de santé publique et médecine sociale,
certificat d’études spéciales de santé publique,
diplôme, certificat ou autre titre qui permettant l’inscription sur la liste de la spécialité de santé publique et médecine sociale par application du règlement de qualification des médecins.
Concours externe
Il s’adresse aux médecins titulaires d’un diplôme exigé pour l’exercice de la profession de médecin et de l’un des diplômes suivants :
diplôme d’études spécialisées de santé communautaire et médecine sociale,
diplôme d’études spécialisées de santé publique et médecine sociale,
certificat d’études spéciales de santé publique,
diplôme, certificat ou autre titre qui permettant l’inscription sur la liste de la spécialité de santé publique et médecine sociale par application du règlement de qualification des médecins."
Also see:
http://www.sante.gouv.fr/medecin-inspecteur-de-sante-publiqu...
http://www.sante.gouv.fr/medecin-inspecteur-de-sante-publiqu...
Since the position is different - since to my knowledge there is no public health administration post requiring an M.D. as a prerequisite in the Anglophone world - then it would follow that it is not possible to use a job title that exists in English since the job requirements are different. Both "public health inspector" and "medical" are needed.
http://www.ehesp.fr/formation/formations-fonction-publique/m...
Also see: https://duckduckgo.com/?q="Public Health Medical Inspector"
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@ B D Finch
I think the issue is that in Anglophone countries, public health inspectors are not required to be medical doctors, whereas in France they are (certainly for the degree program in question).
In the UK, "Public Health Inspectors" are now called "Environmental Health Officers," and this is what they do (from: https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/advice/planning... ):
"As an environmental health officer or practitioner (EHO or EHP), you could deal with a wide range of issues including:
food safety
environmental protection
pollution control
noise control
health and safety at work
waste management
housing standards."
From the same site, the degree prerequisite is "an environmental health degree (BSc) or postgraduate degree (MSc) approved by the Chartered Institute of Environmental Health (CIEH)" plus plus on-the-job training plus exams.
Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_inspector
In the USA, a "public health inspector" is a lower-level position, requiring a B.A. if not an Associates (two-year, junior college degree). See: http://education-portal.com/articles/How_to_Become_a_Public_... . The next, more administrative level is "environmental health professional," which is similar to the UK role in terms of duties and training. See: http://www.bestpublichealthschools.org/how-to/how-to-become-...
Now, the "Médecin inspecteur de santé publique" or "Public Health Medical Inspector" deals with the same kind of issues:
"Métier
Statut : cadre de catégorie A
Le médecin inspecteur de santé publique exerce dans les services du ministre chargé de la santé :
agences régionales de santé (siège ou délégations territoriales de santé)
administration centrale
Ses fonctions sont variées :
conception, mise en œuvre, exécution, évaluation et contrôle de la politique de santé publique
organisation du système de soins
mise en œuvre de programmes de prévention et de promotion de la santé
rôle de veille et de sécurité sanitaire
formation et recherche en santé publique
Le médecin inspecteur de santé publique est amené à exercer aussi bien des missions techniques spécialisées comme la surveillance épidémiologique ou la prévention et la gestion de crises sanitaires que du management, de la conduite de projet ou programmes de recherche."
That's from the site of the program in question at the EHESP: http://www.ehesp.fr/formation/formations-fonction-publique/m...
It's an administrative position. I think it's comparable to the Master's level studies in the UK, such as: http://www.ehcareers.org/where_what/msc_content.html
But, and (at long last!) here's the point, to enroll in this program in France, one must first be a medical doctor. From the program's site (at http://www.ehesp.fr/formation/formations-fonction-publique/m... ):
"Conditions d’accès
Concours interne
Il est ouvert aux médecins fonctionnaires et agents de l’Etat, des collectivités territoriales et des établissements publics qui en dépendent ainsi qu’aux médecins en fonctions dans une organisation internationale intergouvernementale, justifiant au moins 3 années d’expérience.
Le candidat doit, en outre, être titulaire d’un des diplômes suivants :
diplôme d’études spécialisées de santé communautaire et médecine sociale,
diplôme d’études spécialisées de santé publique et médecine sociale,
certificat d’études spéciales de santé publique,
diplôme, certificat ou autre titre qui permettant l’inscription sur la liste de la spécialité de santé publique et médecine sociale par application du règlement de qualification des médecins.
Concours externe
Il s’adresse aux médecins titulaires d’un diplôme exigé pour l’exercice de la profession de médecin et de l’un des diplômes suivants :
diplôme d’études spécialisées de santé communautaire et médecine sociale,
diplôme d’études spécialisées de santé publique et médecine sociale,
certificat d’études spéciales de santé publique,
diplôme, certificat ou autre titre qui permettant l’inscription sur la liste de la spécialité de santé publique et médecine sociale par application du règlement de qualification des médecins."
Also see:
http://www.sante.gouv.fr/medecin-inspecteur-de-sante-publiqu...
http://www.sante.gouv.fr/medecin-inspecteur-de-sante-publiqu...
Since the position is different - since to my knowledge there is no public health administration post requiring an M.D. as a prerequisite in the Anglophone world - then it would follow that it is not possible to use a job title that exists in English since the job requirements are different. Both "public health inspector" and "medical" are needed.
Note from asker:
Thank you. For my context, it's important to show she's a qualified doctor. Less important, I think, to use a job title that actually exists in English. So your suggestion looks good. I'll give it a bit longer before closing though. |
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
: Can you give any non-translated, English language sources for that title? Given writeaway's comment on my own answer, yours does at least specify what the person involved does and, if there isn't a precise English equivalent, I'd agree with it.
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Thanks, B D Finch. I'm also wondering if there is a reason not use the translation provided on the EHESP's own website...
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agree |
cc in nyc
: (French) Public Health Medical Inspector
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Thanks, cc in nyc
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
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public health doctor
careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/view-article.html?id=20007384
"Public health doctors who will transfer to local authorities once councils take over responsibility for public health in April 2013 will be allowed to stay in the NHS ..."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvn3wiHb81E
"A public health doctor takes the perspective of health from a population level rather than individual cases and ... "
NB. Not a Doctor of Public Health, who is not a "médecin".
"Public health doctors who will transfer to local authorities once councils take over responsibility for public health in April 2013 will be allowed to stay in the NHS ..."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvn3wiHb81E
"A public health doctor takes the perspective of health from a population level rather than individual cases and ... "
NB. Not a Doctor of Public Health, who is not a "médecin".
Note from asker:
I started with 'public health physician' but decided I wasn't happy that readers would understand the inspector part was included. |
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: so all public health doctors are inspectors?
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Good point, presumably some of them do work in labs etc.
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Public health inspector
I think you can put "Public Health Inspector" even though the title in English does not state "medical doctor" - in my mind, this goes without saying.
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
: In the UK, at least, they are NOT doctors! See http://www.healthunit.org/jobs/careers/phi_description.htm. That ref is, of course Canadian, because the old Public Health Inspectors in the UK became Environmental Health Officers.
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Medical Officer for Health (and Inspections)
yes, I agree that an exact equivalent does not exist (as is so often the case) as John is right about the Environmental health Officer making the inspections. So I think this might be the closest in terms of seniority of position and educational background required. See here for requirements which are similar to the French ones
http://www.opm.gov/qualifications/standards/IORs/gs0600/0602...
and various Medical Officer of Health NZ/Canada/UK ..seems to be international term
https://www.healthed.govt.nz/resource-table/table-medical-of...
http://www.health.alberta.ca/about/chief-medical-officer.htm...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Officer_for_Health
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you can tag on the (for Inspections) or make it clear elsewhere that they are also responsible for inspections in France
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of/for Health both used
as is
Health Medical Officer
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Chief Medical Officer might work better for UK
This report abstract points to the lack of harmonisation of roles
http://researchonline.lshtm.ac.uk/1572/
"... there is no universally agreed role for a CMO. This article describes the findings of a study, based on interviews with key informants and documentary analysis that sought to describe their diverse roles. ... Four broad categories of countries were identified: those whose CMO is the most senior doctor in the health ministry, in some cases with responsibility spanning all of government; where they are head of a division within the health ministry; head of a separate body such as a national board of health; and countries where no single individual can be identified. Although the diversity of health systems means that these roles cannot be harmonised, there is scope to explore what can be learnt from the different approaches."
whereas here are some of the functions of an MOH in Canada
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fniah-spnia/pubs/finance/_agree-accor...
The functions of the MOH generally include the following:
responsibility for communicable disease control;
working with other stakeholders to assess environmental health concerns and to intervene as necessary;
providing leadership in emergency situations where there is a potentially negative impact on public health;
overseeing health surveillance activities;
undertaking in-depth epidemiological studies where necessary;
acting as consultant on health promotion and disease prevention;
developing, recommending and implementing public policies in support of improved health;
managing programs, including planning, implementation and evaluation;
education of other health care providers.
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I am assuming you are keeping the French title and putting an explanation in brackets?
http://www.opm.gov/qualifications/standards/IORs/gs0600/0602...
and various Medical Officer of Health NZ/Canada/UK ..seems to be international term
https://www.healthed.govt.nz/resource-table/table-medical-of...
http://www.health.alberta.ca/about/chief-medical-officer.htm...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Officer_for_Health
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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-12-14 15:05:02 GMT)
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you can tag on the (for Inspections) or make it clear elsewhere that they are also responsible for inspections in France
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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-12-14 15:06:02 GMT)
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of/for Health both used
as is
Health Medical Officer
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Note added at 4 hrs (2012-12-14 15:59:01 GMT)
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Chief Medical Officer might work better for UK
This report abstract points to the lack of harmonisation of roles
http://researchonline.lshtm.ac.uk/1572/
"... there is no universally agreed role for a CMO. This article describes the findings of a study, based on interviews with key informants and documentary analysis that sought to describe their diverse roles. ... Four broad categories of countries were identified: those whose CMO is the most senior doctor in the health ministry, in some cases with responsibility spanning all of government; where they are head of a division within the health ministry; head of a separate body such as a national board of health; and countries where no single individual can be identified. Although the diversity of health systems means that these roles cannot be harmonised, there is scope to explore what can be learnt from the different approaches."
whereas here are some of the functions of an MOH in Canada
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fniah-spnia/pubs/finance/_agree-accor...
The functions of the MOH generally include the following:
responsibility for communicable disease control;
working with other stakeholders to assess environmental health concerns and to intervene as necessary;
providing leadership in emergency situations where there is a potentially negative impact on public health;
overseeing health surveillance activities;
undertaking in-depth epidemiological studies where necessary;
acting as consultant on health promotion and disease prevention;
developing, recommending and implementing public policies in support of improved health;
managing programs, including planning, implementation and evaluation;
education of other health care providers.
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I am assuming you are keeping the French title and putting an explanation in brackets?
Peer comment(s):
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John Holland
: It's close, but I think that a "cadre de catégorie A" is a lower-lever post. See: http://ur1.ca/c1o9x . Please see my comment in the discussion section.
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not necessarily, roles may differ across countries
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Discussion
Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Officer_for_Health, which makes it clear that a Medical Officer for Health is an adviser on policy at local and regional government level, not an inspector.
Here's what the relevant Decret says (see: http://ur1.ca/c1puj , TITRE Ier : Article 1):
"I. - Les médecins inspecteurs de santé publique forment un corps de fonctionnaires de l’Etat classé dans la catégorie A prévue à l’article 29 de la loi du 11 janvier 1984 susvisée.
Ce corps comprend les grades de médecin général de santé publique, de médecin inspecteur en chef de santé publique et de médecin inspecteur de santé publique.
Le grade de médecin général de santé publique comprend trois échelons.
Le grade de médecin inspecteur en chef de santé publique comprend sept échelons.
Le grade de médecin inspecteur de santé publique comprend neuf échelons."
I believe a "Chief Medical Officer" would be more like a "médecin général de santé publique" or a "médecin inspecteur en chef de santé publique."
It's true that after a certain point, it's difficult to find an exact correlation. But is there a reason not to use the translation provided by the school's website?