Mar 25, 2009 10:44
15 yrs ago
Italian term
United Kingdom
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città demaniale
Italian to English
Social Sciences
History
Demaniale should be state or state-owned, but I can't find many hits for state city. It appears in the following sentence from a short text about Sicilian nobility:
"...si era affermata nel tessuto sociale delle città demaniali a partire dalla seconda metà del Quattrocento".
"...si era affermata nel tessuto sociale delle città demaniali a partire dalla seconda metà del Quattrocento".
Proposed translations
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References
| città demaniali |
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Proposed translations
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Kevin Pendergast
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Regained in translation
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4
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cities controlled by the crown [by the Sicilian monarchy]
However, if this is an academic text, you might consider leaving the term in Italian and adding a footnote with an explanation (see BTT's reference)
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Many many thanks to all. I will use Will's solution of adding a footnote."
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simon tanner
Italy
Italy
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20
towns built on public land
as opposed to on land owned by the nobility? I'm guessing, I admit
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AeC2009
: Sorry Simon, see note to Tom and reference posted...
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No problem; so it would be "cities built on crown land", then?
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Tom in London
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Architecture, design, technical, etc.
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91
controlled by the nobility
only "medium" certainty here.....
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AeC2009
: sorry Tom, it's the contrary: non amministrate da Vescovi-Conti, nobili, abati e archimandriti
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You're right. I wasn't concentrating. MORAL: don't answer PRoz questions whilst doing something else :)
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James (Jim) Davis
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Seychelles
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73
independent crown cities
One way. These were a bit like London, directly under the crown, but independent of local nobles and bishops or so it seems from Wiki.
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Città_demaniale
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Città_demaniale
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AeC2009
: not sure if it's it but it sure returns the meaning..., I too was thinking to something similar but you were faster..., :-))
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Connie De Vincentiis
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crown land
land owned by nobility or government
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Note added at 10 mins (2009-03-25 10:54:33 GMT)
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Crown land is a designated area belonging to the Crown, the equivalent of an entailed estate that passed with the monarchy and could not be alienated from it.
In the United Kingdom and during the British Empire, the hereditary revenues of Crown lands were a feature until the start of the reign of George III when the Crown Estate was surrendered to the Parliament of Great Britain in return for a fixed civil list payment - the monarch retains the income from the Duchy of Lancaster. The concept of federal lands in the US was developed in parallel to that of Crown land in Canada and Australia.
In the Austro-Hungarian Empire and its predecessor the Austrian Empire Crown lands were alternative administrative units to Duchys, as in the Kingdom of Poland and its successor, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Also in the era we see crown land being taken away from The british empire and given to the proletariat, or working class, for support.
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Note added at 10 mins (2009-03-25 10:54:33 GMT)
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Crown land is a designated area belonging to the Crown, the equivalent of an entailed estate that passed with the monarchy and could not be alienated from it.
In the United Kingdom and during the British Empire, the hereditary revenues of Crown lands were a feature until the start of the reign of George III when the Crown Estate was surrendered to the Parliament of Great Britain in return for a fixed civil list payment - the monarch retains the income from the Duchy of Lancaster. The concept of federal lands in the US was developed in parallel to that of Crown land in Canada and Australia.
In the Austro-Hungarian Empire and its predecessor the Austrian Empire Crown lands were alternative administrative units to Duchys, as in the Kingdom of Poland and its successor, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Also in the era we see crown land being taken away from The british empire and given to the proletariat, or working class, for support.
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State-owned/Federal cities/towns
Be careful about the plural here - demaniali refers to more than one city so in effect you could say "state-owned cities" or federal cities or even federal towns
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Reference comments
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Reference:
città demaniali
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Città_demaniale
La città demaniale era, ai tempi della dominazione normanna della Sicilia, una delle 42 città facenti capo direttamente alla corona e non amministrate da Vescovi-Conti, nobili, abati e archimandriti.
La città demaniale era, ai tempi della dominazione normanna della Sicilia, una delle 42 città facenti capo direttamente alla corona e non amministrate da Vescovi-Conti, nobili, abati e archimandriti.
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Connie De Vincentiis
: appunto
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Kevin Pendergast
: Yes, the term is period-specific
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