Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
arguably
French translation:
indiscutablement, indéniablement, sans aucun doute
Added to glossary by
Magali GUENETTE
May 23, 2002 15:49
22 yrs ago
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English term
arguably
Non-PRO
English to French
Bus/Financial
poru vous arguably dans une phrase, cela veut dire
sans doute
sans aucun doute
certainement
Bref quelle serait la "bonne " traduction par rapport au degré de certitude qu'évoque arguably ?
merci
Magali
sans doute
sans aucun doute
certainement
Bref quelle serait la "bonne " traduction par rapport au degré de certitude qu'évoque arguably ?
merci
Magali
Proposed translations
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Proposed translations
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indéniablement
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "ça confirme le "feeling" que j'avais (hors dictionnaire, car dans ces cas, je préfère ne pas regarder un dico).
Donc "arguably" veut plutôt dire "indicutablement" -
Marrant d'en arriver à une telle "inversion" de sens.
Je ne retiens pas les périphrases, par ce que sinon il faudrait aussi paraphraser "indiscutablement" dans l'autre sens...
Merci
Magali"
+5
5 mins
on peut soutenir que...
donc "arguably"... très probablement
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Charov
: C'est la meilleure traduction.
24 mins
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agree |
Arthur Borges
: My feelings about this word zero squarely in on this suggestion.
31 mins
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agree |
Merline
1 hr
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agree |
fcl
: il existe des arguments pour => on peut soutenir que. Parfait.
1 hr
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agree |
CHENOUMI (X)
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-2
7 mins
discutablement
Declined
de façon discutable.
C'est ça.
Cristina
C'est ça.
Cristina
Peer comment(s):
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Geneviève von Levetzow
: Ce n'est pas du tout le sens.
5 mins
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see my new post please
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disagree |
Isla MONTREUIL
: d'accord avec Geneviève
24 mins
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see my new post please
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disagree |
Charov
: Agree with Geneviève von Levetzow. L'adjectif "arguable" peut vouloir dire "discutable", mais l'adverbe "arguably" n'a pas le même champ sémantique!
26 mins
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see my new post please
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Comment: "qqch de discutable = contraire = qqch dont on peut douter"
48 mins
sans doute
In the Robert & Collins senior dictionnary, there is an example with arguably.
He is arguably the greatest footballer of all time/C'est sans doute le plus grand fooltballer de tous les temps. Hope it helps.
He is arguably the greatest footballer of all time/C'est sans doute le plus grand fooltballer de tous les temps. Hope it helps.
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Charov
: This could be acceptable in cases where someone uses "arguably" in a very loose sense. Generally speaking, however,Francesco Allessandro's suggestion (see above) is much closer to the meaning of "arguably".
19 mins
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+2
54 mins
Aucun équivalent sans périphrase
"Arguably" veut dire "qui peut être soutenue par des arguments (qu'ils soient valides ou non)".
On peut opposer "arguable" en anglais à "discutable" (on peu présenter des arguments contre) en français.
Kêkchose comme: "On peut/pourrait dire/déclarer que..." ou n'importe quel phrase comportant un conditionnel (la condition du conditionnel est la validité d'un argument qui soutient la déclaration).
Cf: l'entrée du Merriam Webster pour "arguably".
it can be argued
<the word is arguably useful>
<arguably the busiest airport in the world>
Ça n'a rien a voir avec si la déclaration "argumentable" est valide ou non, simplement qu'il existe des arguments pour la soutenir.
On peut opposer "arguable" en anglais à "discutable" (on peu présenter des arguments contre) en français.
Kêkchose comme: "On peut/pourrait dire/déclarer que..." ou n'importe quel phrase comportant un conditionnel (la condition du conditionnel est la validité d'un argument qui soutient la déclaration).
Cf: l'entrée du Merriam Webster pour "arguably".
it can be argued
<the word is arguably useful>
<arguably the busiest airport in the world>
Ça n'a rien a voir avec si la déclaration "argumentable" est valide ou non, simplement qu'il existe des arguments pour la soutenir.
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10 hrs
on peut soutenir que
Juste pour dire qua la version d'alexandro était la plus correcte. Après vérification sur d'autres dictionnaires, c'est le contraire, c'est discutable......
it's arguably the city's best restaurant, on peut soutenir que c'est le meilleur restaurant de la ville.
it's arguably the city's best restaurant, on peut soutenir que c'est le meilleur restaurant de la ville.
5 days
here is what I found
let me be pedantic, here is what I found (I wasn't happy with this word at all after all 'disagrees' I got!)
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Journalists have begun using the word arguably in describing an artist, a writer, an actor, and so forth, who has achieved outstanding success. I have seen this word used in other contexts as well. My dictionary, which confirms my understanding from early school days, defines argue as "to give reasons for or against something."
The current use of the word arguably is arguable. For instance, "He is arguably one of the most talented musicians to reach the stage in years." This indicates to me that the talent of this musician could be disputed, although the article does not argue the point or compare the musician with other musicians.
If you could resolve this use of the word without too much argument, I would be grateful.
Mary N. Hanks
Falls Church, Va.
You are not the only person to have written me about arguably. It isn't much loved. And it is newer than many other words, having been part of our language for merely a century or so. It has a niche to occupy, however, if we'll let it. Although arguably concedes that others might argue against a point, it tends to emphasize that an argument can be made in something's favor. Disputably (which is not a common word) gives the impression of taking the contrary point of view; debatably shows no preference for either side; and possibly, probably, and so on fail to bring to mind argument at all. Arguably is a valuable word, be- cause arguably its meaning is unique.
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I was convinced of the first meaning, that's why I used discutablement.
To me, at this point, 'on peut soutenir que' is definetely the best answer.
Ciao
Cristina
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Journalists have begun using the word arguably in describing an artist, a writer, an actor, and so forth, who has achieved outstanding success. I have seen this word used in other contexts as well. My dictionary, which confirms my understanding from early school days, defines argue as "to give reasons for or against something."
The current use of the word arguably is arguable. For instance, "He is arguably one of the most talented musicians to reach the stage in years." This indicates to me that the talent of this musician could be disputed, although the article does not argue the point or compare the musician with other musicians.
If you could resolve this use of the word without too much argument, I would be grateful.
Mary N. Hanks
Falls Church, Va.
You are not the only person to have written me about arguably. It isn't much loved. And it is newer than many other words, having been part of our language for merely a century or so. It has a niche to occupy, however, if we'll let it. Although arguably concedes that others might argue against a point, it tends to emphasize that an argument can be made in something's favor. Disputably (which is not a common word) gives the impression of taking the contrary point of view; debatably shows no preference for either side; and possibly, probably, and so on fail to bring to mind argument at all. Arguably is a valuable word, be- cause arguably its meaning is unique.
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I was convinced of the first meaning, that's why I used discutablement.
To me, at this point, 'on peut soutenir que' is definetely the best answer.
Ciao
Cristina
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