Oct 16, 2005 17:45
19 yrs ago
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Arabic term
الثوابت
Arabic to English
Other
Government / Politics
علينا التعاضد و التكاثف حول الثوابت الوطتية و القومية المتزهة عت كل المصالح با ستثناء مصلحة الوطن حصرا، علما بان هذه الثوابت تستدعي ضرورة التعبير على مستوى الأقتناعات الراسخة و تجاوز الأعتبارات الشخصية و ذلك لحتمية بلورة موقف جامع لكل الأرادات الطيبة و الوطنية و مانع لأي خطر ناجم عن التحديات الداهمه.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +8 | principles/fundamentals |
Aisha Maniar
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| 5 +2 | constants |
Alaa Zeineldine
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| 5 | National Symbols |
Osama Hussein
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Proposed translations
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13 mins
Aisha Maniar
Native in English
Specializes in field
French/Arabic-English legal translator
Native in: English (Variants: UK, British) 
Works in: Arabic to English, French to English, English
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Arabic term (edited):
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principles/fundamentals
You could translate using one of the above terms or translation by transliteration - thawabit - and then use a fairly literal translation in brackets, e.g. fixed elements/constants, depending on your wider context and which country you're talking about.
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Alexander Yeltsov
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ahmadwadan.com
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Arabella K-
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you and I apologize for the delay.I had problems with my computer"
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Osama Hussein
Egypt
Egypt
Native in Arabic
Egypt
High Resolution Target
Native in: Arabic
Works in: Arabic to French, Spanish to Arabic, Arabic to Spanish, and 13 more.
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Arabic term (edited):
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National Symbols
I think this is the best translation, please check:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_symbols
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_symbols
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Alaa Zeineldine
Egypt
Egypt
Native in Arabic
&
English
Works in field
Egypt
The best in IT ... and in Automotive
Native in: Arabic 
, English
Works in: English to Arabic, Arabic to English, English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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28
Arabic term (edited):
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constants
الثوابت الوطنية والقومية
national and pan-Arab constants
Realize that the word قومية is context dependent in Arab countries, but the cue here is that قومية and وطنية must be different, so قومية must refer to pan Arab nationalism.
For usage examples, you can google for "moral constants".
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Note added at 6 hrs 17 mins (2005-10-17 00:02:14 GMT)
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A comment on Aisha's remark:
Terms like الثوابت القومية , ثوابت الأمة , and ثوابت الدين are also new in Arabic discourse. Like many new terms, they emerged out of necessity. When used, the word ثوابت is often deliberately chosen instead of مبادئ or أصول, but the average reader or listener does not realize the subtlety of the choice. In most cases these terms -which are increasing in popularity in the Arab world- are used in two situations:
- By a party that advocates that everything is subject to change in the name of progress, but they qualify their statements by excluding ثوابت الأمة to protect their backs. They will never be caught defining precisely what those ثوابت are, but by waving this term, they avoid alienating the public.
- By a party that advocates adherence to traditional principles but have taken the other party's bait and instead of talking about adhering to مبادئ الأمة or أصول الدين , etc., they talk about adhering to ثوابت الأمة and ثوابت الدين. They do not realize that by adopting this terminology, they have concurred with their adversaries.
The debate about political, social, and religious change in the Arab world has been as live as it is today. Vocabulary is being used extremely effectively in this debate, and in the most subtle of ways, by intellectuals and politicians who grew up having to learn how to walk through minefields before learning to crawl.
The best way to reflect the distinction between these different terms in English is to translate the new coinage.
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Note added at 6 hrs 19 mins (2005-10-17 00:04:01 GMT)
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I meand "has never been as live as it is today".
national and pan-Arab constants
Realize that the word قومية is context dependent in Arab countries, but the cue here is that قومية and وطنية must be different, so قومية must refer to pan Arab nationalism.
For usage examples, you can google for "moral constants".
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Note added at 6 hrs 17 mins (2005-10-17 00:02:14 GMT)
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A comment on Aisha's remark:
Terms like الثوابت القومية , ثوابت الأمة , and ثوابت الدين are also new in Arabic discourse. Like many new terms, they emerged out of necessity. When used, the word ثوابت is often deliberately chosen instead of مبادئ or أصول, but the average reader or listener does not realize the subtlety of the choice. In most cases these terms -which are increasing in popularity in the Arab world- are used in two situations:
- By a party that advocates that everything is subject to change in the name of progress, but they qualify their statements by excluding ثوابت الأمة to protect their backs. They will never be caught defining precisely what those ثوابت are, but by waving this term, they avoid alienating the public.
- By a party that advocates adherence to traditional principles but have taken the other party's bait and instead of talking about adhering to مبادئ الأمة or أصول الدين , etc., they talk about adhering to ثوابت الأمة and ثوابت الدين. They do not realize that by adopting this terminology, they have concurred with their adversaries.
The debate about political, social, and religious change in the Arab world has been as live as it is today. Vocabulary is being used extremely effectively in this debate, and in the most subtle of ways, by intellectuals and politicians who grew up having to learn how to walk through minefields before learning to crawl.
The best way to reflect the distinction between these different terms in English is to translate the new coinage.
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Note added at 6 hrs 19 mins (2005-10-17 00:04:01 GMT)
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I meand "has never been as live as it is today".
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Dina Abdo
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Aisha Maniar
: "moral constants" is used in philosophy, not politics, and there's no such thing as a "national constant" in English/note: hence I suggest transliteration and literal translation above as a way of getting around the peculiarity of this concept in the SL
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There also ethical constants, historic constants, universal constants of justice, and other similar formulations. Constancy aside, I think the word is more malleable than you suggest.
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Mona Helal
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Discussion
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