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Henry Dotterer
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Hello,

I found the thread above during my search for unwanted ads. It would have been an aesy way fo all if you just would have told us you don't like this ad on your forum.

We excluded {www.proz.com} from our ca
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Hello,

I found the thread above during my search for unwanted ads. It would have been an aesy way fo all if you just would have told us you don't like this ad on your forum.

We excluded {www.proz.com} from our campaigns. We and our partners use automatic systems to put ads on websites, but in 99% of the cases this ad should not show up on your site in the future. You can use Google AdSense again.

We don't want these kind of ads appear somewhere where they aren't wanted. Sorry for any inconvenience that may have been caused with this type of ads.

Kristof Lindner
FettVerbrennen.net

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This was a professional gesture. It had not occurred to me to overcome the issue by asking the advertiser to filter from their end. Live and learn.
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Kevin Lossner
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Interesting Jan 27, 2010

Henry D wrote:
It had not occurred to me to overcome the issue by asking the advertiser to filter from their end. Live and learn.


If you weren't aware of the option given your involvement with online advertising, most of us would be even less likely to think of it. Good to know that is possible in some cases.


 
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Aniello Scognamiglio (X)
Aniello Scognamiglio (X)  Identity Verified
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. Jan 28, 2010

Henry D wrote:

We have received the following message from FettVerbrennen.net management:

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Hello,

I found the thread above during my search for unwanted ads. It would have been an aesy way fo all if you just would have told us you don't like this ad on your forum.

Kristof Lindner
FettVerbrennen.net



Just wondering why they were searching for *un*wanted ads!?
I initiated the thread on January 16.


 
Aniello Scognamiglio (X)
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Thank you, Henry, but... Jan 28, 2010

Henry D wrote:

KSL Berlin wrote:

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that site advertising is critical to operations; fewer than 10,000 paid memberships only go so far. Look at staff numbers and infrastructure and do the math. And I'm all for that if it is done in an appropriate manner.

My concerns revolve around where/how a potential customer might come into contact with ads on the site. Typical paths to one of us might run this way:

1. Portal home page > search engine > member profile
2. Forum thread > member profile
3. Knowledge base article > member profile
4. KudoZ discussion > member profile
5. Member profile > mail system direct message

I expect appropriate ads (language-related, travel industry, whatever) to be on the home page. Because of all this controversy, I've been experimenting with Google ads on my blog in the past week, and frankly I don't have a problem with a banner ad from the Islamic Council about a legal matter or an education ad from the Confucius Institute and a lot of other stuff I've seen. I've been tempted to click on a few myself. So far I've been spared the sex adverts and diet ads, but I think that has a lot to do with the nerdish subject matter, not with my (not-yet-implemented) filters. I have yet to look at the more scatological posts to see what shows up there.

Given the likely draw of KudoZ for outsiders, I think it would also be unreasonable to expect ads to be removed there. If I were the site owner, I would insist on having appropriately focused ads there. Ditto the glossaries. (I'll have to make some off-the wall dictionaries and search them for laughs to see what shows up. Somewhere I have a glossary from a brothel translation....)

The articles are an area I start to have a problem with. I write them to share information with colleagues, not drive click traffic to the site. Based on principle alone I would delete all my past articles and repost them elsewhere unless I see a percentage of the page revenues (which might not buy me an ice cream cone after 5 years).

I'm not very comfortable with ads in the directory search pages unless these are text ads from members. It's counterproductive to show various ads for Babelfish and mass-mess agencies there.

Advertising in forums should be severely restricted. I have one forum screen shot in my collection that would deeply shock the proper lady colleague under the ad. I know she often disapproves of my expressions, but she would disapprove of this picture even more.

Member profiles AND THE MESSAGE SYSTEM should be totally off-limits. If I cannot be absolutely certain that a prospect who sends me a message via my profile will not be shown advertising of any kind - ANYTHING - afterward, then I want no messages set via my profile. Period. I can offer an e-mail address and handle my own security.

If a prospect finds my profile via Google, goes there ad sends me a message, no ads should appear at any point.

Great post. This about sums up the strategy and the type of thinking that we do in setting advertising policy. (Although I would more specifically say that advertising is critical to the open approach that we prefer; whether it is critical to operations overall is not known for certain.)

Anyway, you make some interesting points, which we will incorporate. Feedback of this sort is very helpful.


Anyway, you make some interesting points, which we will incorporate. Feedback of this sort is very helpful.

Hi Henry,

can you elaborate, please?
Which points do you find interesting to incorporate and when will it happen?


 
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Monika Elisabeth Sieger
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Es nervt ganz einfach! Jan 29, 2010

Mich nervt sowas.
Es ist überflüssig, völlig sachfremd, unästethetisch und ohne jeden Sinn.
Wir werben doch auch nicht in einem Kochbuch oder einer Handabeitszeitung bzw. einem einschlägigen Magazin mit unseren Diensten!
Zumal wir als zahlende Mitglieder einen Beitrag zum Bestand dieser Seite leisten!

ALSO: WEG DAMIT!


 
Katrin Hollberg
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Dito Jan 29, 2010

sivara wrote:
Mich nervt sowas.
Es ist überflüssig, völlig sachfremd, unästethetisch und ohne jeden Sinn.
Wir werben doch auch nicht in einem Kochbuch oder einer Handabeitszeitung bzw. einem einschlägigen Magazin mit unseren Diensten!
Zumal wir als zahlende Mitglieder einen Beitrag zum Bestand dieser Seite leisten!
ALSO: WEG DAMIT!


Exakt!!!

Allerdings empfinde ich die Reaktionen des Mgmt. als eindeutig am Thema vorbei. Man hat den Eindruck, dass noch immer nicht verstanden und eingesehen worden ist, worum es uns allen hier eigentlich geht. Es ist doch auch nicht nur die oben besagte einzelne Werbeschaltung, es geht um das Prinzipielle: absolut unsachliche, beschämende Werbung, (unästhetisch ist wirklich die richtige Bezeichnung), die am Thema dieser Plattform sowas auch nur vorbeischießt. Ich ärgere mich umso mehr über die völlig ignoranten "Beiträge" aus den USA. Der Holzhammer hatte jetzt wirklich monatelang Zeit zu wirken, aber vergeblich...traurig...

(Und dann lese ich diese fetten Balken zwischen den einzelnen Beiträgen: this post was hidden... //dann weiß ich Bescheid, wie ich das alles einzuordnen habe. Es wird immer peinlicher.)

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Aniello Scognamiglio (X)
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Zusammenfassung und Dankeschön Jan 29, 2010

Aus mehreren Gründen habe ich mich bereits im vergangenen Jahr stark zurückgezogen. Als ich den Thread vor zwei Wochen gestartet habe, wollte ich lediglich wissen, was Kolleginnen und Kollegen von unseriösen und imageschädigenden Anzeigen halten. Ich hätte nicht gedacht, dass es ein Mammutthread wird, der sich letzten Endes tot gelaufen hat und in dem kritische Stimmen im Keim erstickt werden.

Darüber hinaus habe ich leider den Eindruck gewonnen, dass sowohl das ProZ-Manageme
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Aus mehreren Gründen habe ich mich bereits im vergangenen Jahr stark zurückgezogen. Als ich den Thread vor zwei Wochen gestartet habe, wollte ich lediglich wissen, was Kolleginnen und Kollegen von unseriösen und imageschädigenden Anzeigen halten. Ich hätte nicht gedacht, dass es ein Mammutthread wird, der sich letzten Endes tot gelaufen hat und in dem kritische Stimmen im Keim erstickt werden.

Darüber hinaus habe ich leider den Eindruck gewonnen, dass sowohl das ProZ-Management als auch viele Kolleginnen und Kollegen das "Problem" nicht wirklich verstanden haben bzw. nicht ernst nehmen. Vielleicht ist es vielen Übersetzern auch gleichgültig, wenn ihr Name mit unseriösen Anzeigen in Verbindung gebracht wird. Jedenfalls war die Resonanz summa summarum verhältnismäßig schwach, und aus meiner Sicht ist das Thema nun abgeschlossen.

Ich möchte mich an dieser Stelle bei allen Threadteilnehmern für ihre Zeit und ihre Meinungen bedanken. Mein Dank gilt auch den Kolleginnen und Kollegen, die mir außerhalb dieses Forums die Bestätigung geliefert haben, dass unseriöse Anzeigen nicht auf eine professionelle Website gehören. Zu einer kritischen Masse hat es leider nicht gereicht.

Jahrelang hat ProZ.com zu meinen bevorzugten Websites gehört, und ich habe viele Kolleginnen und Kollegen kennen und schätzen gelernt. Inzwischen gibt es jedoch eine Reihe von Dingen auf ProZ, die ich nicht gut heiße. Daher habe ich beschlossen, einen Schritt weiter zu gehen: Ich lösche zum 01.02. mein Profil.

Ich erwähne das an dieser Stelle, um möglichen Gerüchten vorzubeugen. Es ist mein persönlicher und freier Entschluss. Falls dieser Beitrag gelöscht wird, was ich nicht hoffe, taucht er woanders (Blog) wieder auf.

Euch allen und ProZ.com wünsche ich alles Gute und weiterhin viel Erfolg! Selbstverständlich bleibe ich im Geschäft.

Viele Grüße aus München!
A.S.
as ät italengger.com
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Hildegard Klein-Bodenheimer (X)
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A lot of colleagues will miss your input (and you) Jan 29, 2010

Hi Aniello,

Da zwei meiner Posts gelöscht wurden, verspüre ich keine große Lust mehr, mich hier auf ProZ zu äußern. Aber das musste ich noch eben loswerden,
wir werden dich vermissen!

[Edited at 2010-01-29 23:45 GMT]


 
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