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Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

notas pútridas

English translation:

putrid notes

Added to glossary by Poughkeepsie
Oct 30, 2019 09:34
4 yrs ago
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Spanish term

notas pútridas

Spanish to English Social Sciences Cooking / Culinary Cheese
Hi,

Working on a cheese text.

The full sentence:

Son quesos que huelen un poco a vegetal fermentado, a lana y a veces aparecen notas pútridas, si bien eso es síntoma de una excesiva maduración.

What's the best way to say "notas pútridas?"

Thanks!
Proposed translations (English)
4 putrid notes
4 gamey overtones
4 rancid overtones or rancid notes
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Non-PRO (2): Yvonne Gallagher, Carol Gullidge

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Discussion

Carol Gullidge Oct 31, 2019:
N.B. "rancid notes" not the same as "putrid notes" they are two different characteristics, as in this article:

" In general, fatty acids originated from [...] yield sweaty, rancid, fecal, putrid and ester-resembling flavors"

Note the delightful inclusion of "fecal", as if "rancid" and "putrid" were not already unpalatable enough! But this does show that the two terms exist and are distinct from one another.

"Handbook of Dairy Foods Analysis"

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OFzMBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA285&lp...
Carol Gullidge Oct 31, 2019:
Certainly not palatable or enticing in any way! BUT, the little information we have so far - and in fact the contents of the text itself - do NOT seem to suggest that it is attempting to sell the cheese! It appears simply to be a factual article, and if this is indeed the case, the writer would have no need to shy away from using terms that are used in the trade - in any language - as is the case here. This applies not only to cheesemaking, but also wines, etc., where some fairly unpalatable-sounding terms are also used - and I've come across several of these!

And one of the very first principles we're taught as translation students is that we must never, ever, ever adapt a target text to suit our own likes/ dislikes/ morals/ preferences/ squeamishness or any other values as long as there exists an equivalent translation in the target language, i.e.one that expresses the same meaning (or closest possible equivalent) as the ST, with all of its connotations. Unless there are very exceptional cultural reasons, the TT needs to reflect the robustness of the ST.
neilmac Oct 31, 2019:
Yuck I don't know many people that would find something described as "putrid/rancid" very appetising. As the query falls within the culinary area, I went for a euphemism. And as my suggestion falls within the "anything else" category, I suppose I'm entitled to be miffed seeing it described as mistranslation...
Yvonne Gallagher Oct 30, 2019:
@ Asker I agree with Carol that the literal "putrid (notes)" fits best here. Anything else is mis- or over-translation.
Carol Gullidge Oct 30, 2019:
OK! But it would always help if you were to post the results of your own research from the start, and your reasons for rejecting your findings, so that we don't waste our time unknowingly duplicating your efforts, and your time when we post unwanted answers!
Poughkeepsie (asker) Oct 30, 2019:
I obviously found "putrid notes" in reference to cheese, but the sources where I found these references seemed to be more on the scientific side. I wasn't sure if there was a similar or better way to say this that might be more common.
Carol Gullidge Oct 30, 2019:
@ Asker please reveal the results of your own research and thoughts!

for instance, your reasons for rejecting the obvious "putrid notes", which is fairly widely used in relation to cheese, especially when overripe

Proposed translations

2 days 10 hrs
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putrid notes

As discussed elsewhere, it's the exact term used in the trade. You can even close the question without awarding points, since the suggestion is not only mine. :-)

In this respect, monitoring amino acid degradation during cheese ripening may ... sweaty, and putrid notes that probably contribute to ripe cheese aroma; this is ...

https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=OFzMBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA285&l...

barnyard goat, fruit, tropical fruit (pineapple), lemon, sour milk (lactic acid), sour (acetic acid), sweat, cheese, bacon, spice, clove, and even putrid notes.
https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=2qZ_CgAAQBAJ&pg=PA18&lp...

Feb 16, 2018 - PDF | Six leading brands of mature/vintage full-fat Cheddar cheese ... C3 Sour, savoury, slight putrid notes, not balanced, slightly crumbly 4.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284813893_How_varia...
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks for your help!"
30 mins

gamey overtones

Or "a hint of gaminess". Game, such as venison, is hung up to "age" which really corresponds to the notion in the Spanish, which literally translates as "rotten"...
And the adjective "gamey" is the first euphemism that sprang to mind when I saw the query.

"It tasted a bit gamey in a bad way but I guess it depends partly on what you do with it. "

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Note added at 30 mins (2019-10-30 10:04:35 GMT)
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https://www.thefreedictionary.com/gaminess

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Note added at 31 mins (2019-10-30 10:05:42 GMT)
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The term is also used to describe wines:
"It offers pepper and ginger spices, gamey overtones and intense fruit, with blackberry aromas bordering on the intensity of an aerosol room-freshner."

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Note added at 32 mins (2019-10-30 10:06:25 GMT)
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Practical Professional Cookery - Page 473 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.es › books
Harry Louis Cracknell, ‎R. J. Kaufmann - 1999 - ‎Cooking
The flavour is delicate with no gamey overtones...

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Note added at 33 mins (2019-10-30 10:08:01 GMT)
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"They/these are cheeses that smell a little like fermented vegetables, wool and sometimes rather gamey notes appear, although that is a symptom of excessive maturation/ripening."



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Note added at 43 mins (2019-10-30 10:17:06 GMT)
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Whether you agree with "overtones" as a translation of "notes" is moot. It's simply the first thing that I thought of...
Example sentence:

It tasted a bit gamey and I wasn't crazy about it

I'll bet those steaks tasted a bit gamey,

Reference:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/gamey

Peer comment(s):
neutral Carol Gullidge : gamey overtones is nice, but generally too positive an attribute in this case, imo! This is about over-ripe cheese - one that has been subjected to "excesiva maduración"//I agree it wouldn't sell! However I don't believe this in fact a marketing question
23 mins
Sorry, Carol, I'm not buying into it. I baulk at describing even strong blue cheeses like Cabrales as putrid/rancid if I'm trying to sell them.
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1 hr

rancid overtones or rancid notes

See cheese lexicon and glossary link.
Reference:

https://1sskha48hhbhl0oc61bhsagh-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/ACS_Lexicon_Glossary_20180817.pdf

Peer comment(s):
neutral Carol Gullidge : again, the ST would probably have specified "rancio", which is another term applied to overripe cheeses but is not quite the same as putrid. Btw, for some reason I couldn't open your link!
33 mins
neutral Robert Carter : Great link to that glossary, but I'm not sure about rancid, because it usually refers to a process in fats. I would assume "pútrido" relates to a bacterial process, but after looking at your glossary, I can't see anything that fits (other than putrid).
4 hrs
neutral Yvonne Gallagher : with others. "putrid" is best
4 hrs
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