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Angela Arnone 
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| You alright there, Tony, old son? | Mar 3, 2005 |
Getting me a bit worried ... although it's consoling to know I'm not alone and my family are heavily concerned about Milan winning the league, so I think I'm worse off than you ...
TonyTK wrote:
As I sit here unwashed
Tony
| | | | Alaa Zeineldine
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| An agreement is not a compliment ... | Mar 3, 2005 |
.. so why is it polite to thank someone for it?
Thank you notes are polite, but only if the answerer thanks those who agree and those who disagree. So the thank you would be for taking the time to evaluate the answer.
I personally only thank someone when I have something to say to them, or at least when I feel the need to indicate that their comment was noted. I actually find myself thanking those who disagree more than those who do.
Maybe their is no ch... See more .. so why is it polite to thank someone for it?
Thank you notes are polite, but only if the answerer thanks those who agree and those who disagree. So the thank you would be for taking the time to evaluate the answer.
I personally only thank someone when I have something to say to them, or at least when I feel the need to indicate that their comment was noted. I actually find myself thanking those who disagree more than those who do.
Maybe their is no chain reaction, but there is a trend of a ritual "thank you" taking hold. In my view, I can't help but think that objectivity is not boosted by this practice. I do not believe however that this can be regulated, but a non-binding note in the faq could help if there is agreement on the principle.
I still would be cautious of characterizations of non-professionalism or worse. It is a matter of judgment, and many members whose professionalism cannot be questioned do give out these "thank you" notes consistently. Maybe this thread will help us make some adjustments.
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| | | | Kirill Semenov
Ukraine
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| Keep it up, pal :) | Mar 3, 2005 |
Hey, Tony, keep stiff upper lip and just drop me a message via my profile.
| | | | Edward Potter
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| I would like to thank those of you on this thread who agree with me | Mar 3, 2005 |
Mats: Thank you.
Giuliana: Thank you.
Nesrin: Thank you.
Elvira: Thank you.
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JeffFish (X)
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TOPIC STARTER | I'd rather not thank everyone who agrees with me in this thread | Mar 3, 2005 |
Edward Potter wrote:
I would like to thank those of you on this thread who agree with me
Excellent - you illustrated my point exactly.
My sympathies with all those who don't get out much (esp. Tony) - I don't have that problem in Berlin. BTW Tony, It's pronouned "Jeff Zee" - me being American and all. I thought the nick would be a neat match with ProZ... Sorry about your monitor - if you mail me your address, I'll send you a pack of kleenex
I find nothing wrong with the asker of a question thanking everyone who contributed an answer, or even thanking an "agreer" for an interesting idea or good supporting link, but I'm with Mats in that I think thanking everyone who agrees with me is silly and unnecessary.
Just my 2 (euro) cents.
Jeff Zalkind
[Edited at 2005-03-03 20:25]
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Edward, I knew I had to add *no thankyouing please*
Giuliana
| | | | Gina W
United States
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| Yeah, I hear you | Mar 3, 2005 |
I have seen this and as a result, I have probably done this. But yeah, lately I’ve been wondering why this is a habit on KudoZ. I mean, you’re not agreeing as a personal favor to someone, you’re agreeing because that is your professional opinion regarding the terminology.
| | | | Kirill Semenov
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| The only thing to remind: humans there | Mar 3, 2005 |
gad wrote:
I mean, you’re not agreeing as a personal favor to someone, you’re agreeing because that is your professional opinion regarding the terminology.
In all your posting you're missing the main point: we are HUMANS, not that kind of robotics in "Matrix Reloading" or "Terminator". So just a little bit of politness or human relatioship does not in any way undermine our _ that great professional attitutude, and our black suit and tie and all the stuff_. Common, we are real people. So behave as you are among real people, it's no need to pretend to be -- wow! just look! -- `a great professional'. One thing does not exclude another.
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Angela Arnone
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| Thank goodness, Kirill! | Mar 3, 2005 |
I thought I was on my own out there.
I don't send strings of "thank yous" out into the ether but I do not object to others doing so or to being thanked, and I don't understand why anyone would find it objectionable.
I think it's sad that Jeff finds it "silly and unnecessary" - don't forget that there are dozens of different languages and cultures using this site and they have different degrees and perceptions of what is polite. So what appears "silly" to one of us may appear quite r... See more I thought I was on my own out there.
I don't send strings of "thank yous" out into the ether but I do not object to others doing so or to being thanked, and I don't understand why anyone would find it objectionable.
I think it's sad that Jeff finds it "silly and unnecessary" - don't forget that there are dozens of different languages and cultures using this site and they have different degrees and perceptions of what is polite. So what appears "silly" to one of us may appear quite reasonable to others and unless the behaviour is rude or offensive, I see no reason create a rule about it.
On the other hand I don't dish out enough "agrees" for it to become a problem for me ... sic ...
Kirill Semenov wrote:
In all your posting you're missing the main point: we are HUMANS, not that kind of robotics in "Matrix Reloading" or "Terminator". So just a little bit of politness or human relatioship does not in any way undermine our _ that great professional attitutude, and our black suit and tie and all the stuff_. Common, we are real people. So behave as you are among real people, it's no need to pretend to be -- wow! just look! -- `a great professional'. One thing does not exclude another. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Gina W
United States
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Uh, Kirill, I realize that, I said that I think I do it, too.
| | | | | It's a cultural subject, once again | Mar 3, 2005 |
Hi all
First of all I think that Kiril remembers a topic that wasn't about thankyous but about saying "sorry" before disagreeing. Maybe I'm wrong, Kiril, correct me please.
It's true that this topic was discussed once, long, long ago (I hardly followed English forums on that time), and I was so shocked by the comments against the "thank yous" that I brought the same topic to the Spanish forum. That thread was completely different from the English one.
... See more Hi all
First of all I think that Kiril remembers a topic that wasn't about thankyous but about saying "sorry" before disagreeing. Maybe I'm wrong, Kiril, correct me please.
It's true that this topic was discussed once, long, long ago (I hardly followed English forums on that time), and I was so shocked by the comments against the "thank yous" that I brought the same topic to the Spanish forum. That thread was completely different from the English one.
On that time I was also a beginner in KudoZ, in translation and everything related to. I enjoyed winning points and I enjoyed getting agrees and I felt thankful for that. I needed to show how thankful I was. Needless to say that I was also a ProZadict and KudoZadict.
Well, more than three years later I keep answering, I receive agrees, I give agrees, my answer is sometimes chosen. But what has changed is that I'm not an adict any more. But I am as thankful as ever. Sometimes I receive the thank yous for my peeragreement, and I think (s)he appreciated it, that's all.
The other thing that has changed too is my confidence level, and this makes me think that Edward might be right when he considers that it's amateurish, as I was a beginner when I used the thankyous the more. Maybe...
Anyway everybody is free to do what they want, thank, not thank, agree, disagree...But we shouldn't interpret these thank yous in only one way, we don't know the meaning the other one gives to it.
Thanks for reading
Claudia
P.S. For those who don't like to receive peer-agreements, there is an option when we answer
Notify me of peer comments
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| | | | Nesrin
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| yes I know... | Mar 3, 2005 |
Angela Arnone wrote:
I think it's not quite the same.
As far as I know and see (having just been to a ballet of extraordinarily talented LaScala dancers), the audience's enthusiastic appreciation was met with many "grazie, grazie grazie" from the artistes.
Nesrin wrote:
having done something truly fantastic, and thanking the audience for their applause.
I think I didn't express myself clearly enough. Yes, performers do thank their audiences, I don't dispute that. I just feel that thanking someone just because they share the same point of view is a bit pretentious, as if I feel I've done something remarkable worthy of applause.
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Schwabamädle
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| I totally agree with you Kirill | Mar 3, 2005 |
Kirill Semenov wrote:
gad wrote:
I mean, you’re not agreeing as a personal favor to someone, you’re agreeing because that is your professional opinion regarding the terminology.
In all your posting you're missing the main point: we are HUMANS, not that kind of robotics in "Matrix Reloading" or "Terminator". So just a little bit of politness or human relatioship does not in any way undermine our _ that great professional attitutude, and our black suit and tie and all the stuff_. Common, we are real people. So behave as you are among real people, it's no need to pretend to be -- wow! just look! -- `a great professional'. One thing does not exclude another.
Thank you for posting this value comment Kirill.
Andrea
[Edited at 2005-03-03 20:37]
| | | | Gina W
United States
Local time: 21:05
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| In all my posting? | Mar 3, 2005 |
In all your posting you're missing the main point
I posted two short sentences agreeing with the person who started this thread, and Kirill you used my short post to get on your soap box in this defensive response to this idea, and you said “in all your posting”. Huh? Two sentences is all my posting?
Again:
OK….whatever.
I think in all your posting, you missed what I said in my first sentence. But I guess my second sentence gave you an excuse to go off on this tangent, lol.
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I think most people who thank people for their peer comments – usually only for "agrees" – are sincere. I agree with Claudia that there are cultural differences in how this gesture is perceived, and I know for a fact that many colleagues who regularly thank people for their "agrees" are honest and have no ulterior motive – they just want to be polite.
But some participants are not sincere and use this gesture as a way to ingratiate themselves to people who support them, and th... See more I think most people who thank people for their peer comments – usually only for "agrees" – are sincere. I agree with Claudia that there are cultural differences in how this gesture is perceived, and I know for a fact that many colleagues who regularly thank people for their "agrees" are honest and have no ulterior motive – they just want to be polite.
But some participants are not sincere and use this gesture as a way to ingratiate themselves to people who support them, and they are easy to spot. Their motive is not just to be polite but to gather a crowd of admirers who will start agreeing with any nonsense they dish up – and it's surprising how successful they are at this trick. They tend not to be interested in getting the best answer selected for the asker or entered in the glossary, but winning the game they play.
But, as Claudia also said, "Anyway everybody is free to do what they want, thank, not thank, agree, disagree..." But I thank you, JeffZ, for raising the issue. A forum thread discussing something like this can help make things better. There will always be a fine bunch of colleagues helping each other professionally and a few rotten apples. ▲ Collapse
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