Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
en tanto
English translation:
as
Added to glossary by
Beatriz Ramírez de Haro
Aug 14 13:35
1 mo ago
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Spanish term
Australia
International Development specialist
Native in: English 
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English
En tanto
Spanish to English
Social Sciences
Psychology
I haven't come across 'en tanto' in this context before. Is it used correctly here? Is it possible that the word 'tanto' in this sentence isn't supposed to be here?
Any contributions appreciated, thanks!
'las identidades dominantes se desarticulan en tanto totalidades inteligibles'
academic article, Chile.
I'm not able to provide more context for confidentiality, but essentially this phrase happily stands alone for this purpose.
Any contributions appreciated, thanks!
'las identidades dominantes se desarticulan en tanto totalidades inteligibles'
academic article, Chile.
I'm not able to provide more context for confidentiality, but essentially this phrase happily stands alone for this purpose.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +6 | as |
Beatriz Ramírez de Haro
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| 4 | as; qua |
Adrian MM.
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| 5 -1 | according to |
Arturo Oswal Alva Mendiburu
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| 4 | of |
Jennifer Levey
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Change log
Aug 28, 2024 11:20: Beatriz Ramírez de Haro Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Beatriz Ramírez de Haro
Spain
Spain
Native in Spanish
Works in field
Spain
Golf, Literature and Religion Specialist
Native in: Spanish 
Works in: English to Spanish, French to Spanish, Spanish
Related KudoZ points
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15
Selected
as
Se trata de un uso bastante común calcado del francés:
En tanto
7.3. Seguida de sustantivo, se usa como locución preposicional con el sentido de 'en calidad de, considerado como', calco rechazable del francés: ⊗«En tanto que americanos, nos gusta la gratificación instantánea» (Vanguardia [Esp.] 17.6.1994); debió decirse en cuanto americanos o como americanos.
https://www.rae.es/dpd/tanto
Esta sería la estructura de la traducción (con independencia de la terminolgía):
"the dominant identities are separated as intelligible wholes"
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Note added at 21 hrs (2024-08-15 11:22:20 GMT)
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Coincido también con la propuesta de Andy.
En tanto
7.3. Seguida de sustantivo, se usa como locución preposicional con el sentido de 'en calidad de, considerado como', calco rechazable del francés: ⊗«En tanto que americanos, nos gusta la gratificación instantánea» (Vanguardia [Esp.] 17.6.1994); debió decirse en cuanto americanos o como americanos.
https://www.rae.es/dpd/tanto
Esta sería la estructura de la traducción (con independencia de la terminolgía):
"the dominant identities are separated as intelligible wholes"
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Note added at 21 hrs (2024-08-15 11:22:20 GMT)
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Coincido también con la propuesta de Andy.
Peer comment(s):
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Helena Chavarria
: Your explanation is easier to understand than Adrian's.
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Thanks Helena.
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philgoddard
: Also, this is a Spanish to English question, not Spanish to Latin.
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Thanks Phil.
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Eileen Brophy
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Thanks, Eileen.
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William Parucki
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Thanks William
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Andrew Bramhall
: @Helena: You don't say !( though relatively lucid judged solely by his standards) Yes, it's a calque of " en tant que" from French meaning ' as', ' insofar as', in terms of a function.
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Thanks Andrew
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Chema Nieto Castañón
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Gracias Chema, buena explicación.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
12 mins
Adrian MM.
Austria
Austria
Native in English
Specializes in field
Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: Scottish, British)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 6 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
as; qua
'new poster' = -pls. check the ProZ glossaries first (*as*) though qua ought to appeal to our fans / brilliant students rather than abject failures of Latin.
'las identidades dominantes se desarticulan en tanto totalidades inteligibles'
... are disconnected (unhinged / no translators or interpreters meant, of course) qua intelligble, composite wholes'
'las identidades dominantes se desarticulan en tanto totalidades inteligibles'
... are disconnected (unhinged / no translators or interpreters meant, of course) qua intelligble, composite wholes'
Example sentence:
A study of x qua y, then, is a study of x that concerns itself solely with the y aspect of x.
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1 day 2 hrs
Arturo Oswal Alva Mendiburu
Peru
Peru
Native in Spanish
Peru
Spanish translator and subtitler
Native in: Spanish (Variants: Peruvian, Latin American)
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English, Spanish
according to
Creo que el autor del texto quiso decir "de acuerdo a ".....Pero prefirió utilizar "en tanto", a manera de sinónimo.
I think the author of the text meant "according to"..... But he preferred to use "as much as" , as a synonym.
Con referencia al contexto las identidades
I think the author of the text meant "according to"..... But he preferred to use "as much as" , as a synonym.
Con referencia al contexto las identidades
Peer comment(s):
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Adoración Bodoque Martínez
: How did you reach that conclusion? And how can you be so confident? "En tanto" ("mientras que") is not a synonym of "de acuerdo a", nor does it mean "as much as".
1 hr
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1 day 3 hrs
Jennifer Levey
Chile
Chile
Native in English
Chile
Human-scale Globalization
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, French to English, English to Spanish, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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12
of
las identidades dominantes se desarticulan en tanto totalidades inteligibles
paraphrasing the ST:
---> (+/-)
las identidades dominantes, fundadas sobre un concepto esencialmente teórico, se desarticulan
IOW, en tanto focuses on the 'totalidad inteligible' (i.e., the underlying concepto, or theory) that characterises identidades dominantes, as distinct from the materialisation/expression of those identities in the real world.
If the theory that sustains those identities falls apart, so too do the identities themselves - and (pardon my Latin...) vice versa.
Liberal translation:
the very concept of 'dominant identities' crumbles away
paraphrasing the ST:
---> (+/-)
las identidades dominantes, fundadas sobre un concepto esencialmente teórico, se desarticulan
IOW, en tanto focuses on the 'totalidad inteligible' (i.e., the underlying concepto, or theory) that characterises identidades dominantes, as distinct from the materialisation/expression of those identities in the real world.
If the theory that sustains those identities falls apart, so too do the identities themselves - and (pardon my Latin...) vice versa.
Liberal translation:
the very concept of 'dominant identities' crumbles away
Discussion
Al considerarlas totalidades inteligibles, las identidades dominantes se desarticulan / Las identidades dominantes se desarticulan en cuanto totalidades inteligibles.
I.e. When understood/considered as intellible wholes, dominant identities [crumble] // As intelligible wholes, dominant identities [crumble]
'new poster' = -pls. check the ProZ glossaries first (*as*) though qua ought to appeal to our fans / brilliant students rather than abject failures of Latin.
'las identidades dominantes se desarticulan en tanto totalidades inteligibles'
... are disconnected (unhinged / no translators or interpreters meant, of course) qua intelligble, composite wholes' (this last bit an obvious autobiographical reference)
I think the writer means 'en calidad de'. See the following:
https://www.fundeu.es/recomendacion/en-tanto-y-en-tanto-que-...