Oct 9, 2002 18:39
21 yrs ago
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Spanish term
relación de empleo
Spanish to English
Bus/Financial
Human Resources
Human Resources
I don't know if I've completely misread this one, but I can't figure out what it would be in English. The whole sentence goes as follows:
"La definición clásica de la dirección de personal como la función que se ocupa de regular la relación de empleo en las organizaciones, resulta insuficiente cuando no insatisfactoria, dado que no acentúa suficientemente la perspectiva macro u organizativa, frente a la micro e individual tradicional, que constituye la piedra angular del nuevo enfoque."
Any ideas?
Many thanks,
Paul
"La definición clásica de la dirección de personal como la función que se ocupa de regular la relación de empleo en las organizaciones, resulta insuficiente cuando no insatisfactoria, dado que no acentúa suficientemente la perspectiva macro u organizativa, frente a la micro e individual tradicional, que constituye la piedra angular del nuevo enfoque."
Any ideas?
Many thanks,
Paul
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employment relations
not "employment relationship."
At first glance, this may look like splitting hairs, but there is a difference between "relations" and "relationship."
Please notice the definitional difference, per dictionary, between these two terms: “relationship” (A particular type of connection existing between people related to or having dealings with each other) and “relationS” (relations a. The mutual dealings or connections of persons, groups, or nations in social, business, or diplomatic matters). Both definitions are taken from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, 2000, as shown below. I believe that the term "relations" is the appropriate one here.
This can be seen better with an analogy: the State Department is in charge of U.S. Foreign Relations, not relationship or relationships, although, on a day-to-day basis, the DOS takes care of U.S. relationships with different nations.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
relationship
SYLLABICATION: re•la•tion•ship
PRONUNCIATION: r-lshn-shp
NOUN: 1. The condition or fact of being related; connection or association. 2. Connection by blood or marriage; kinship. 3. A particular type of connection existing between people related to or having dealings with each other: has a close relationship with his siblings. 4. A romantic or sexual involvement.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
relation
SYLLABICATION: re•la•tion
PRONUNCIATION: r-lshn
NOUN: 1. A logical or natural association between two or more things; relevance of one to another; connection: the relation between smoking and heart disease. 2. The connection of people by blood or marriage; kinship. 3. A person connected to another by blood or marriage; a relative. 4. The way in which one person or thing is connected with another: the relation of parent to child. 5. relations a. The mutual dealings or connections of persons, groups, or nations in social, business, or diplomatic matters: international relations. b. Sexual intercourse. 6. Reference; regard: in relation to your inquiry. 7a. The act of telling or narrating. b. A narrative; an account. 8. Law The principle whereby an act done at a later date is considered to have been done on a prior date.
At first glance, this may look like splitting hairs, but there is a difference between "relations" and "relationship."
Please notice the definitional difference, per dictionary, between these two terms: “relationship” (A particular type of connection existing between people related to or having dealings with each other) and “relationS” (relations a. The mutual dealings or connections of persons, groups, or nations in social, business, or diplomatic matters). Both definitions are taken from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, 2000, as shown below. I believe that the term "relations" is the appropriate one here.
This can be seen better with an analogy: the State Department is in charge of U.S. Foreign Relations, not relationship or relationships, although, on a day-to-day basis, the DOS takes care of U.S. relationships with different nations.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
relationship
SYLLABICATION: re•la•tion•ship
PRONUNCIATION: r-lshn-shp
NOUN: 1. The condition or fact of being related; connection or association. 2. Connection by blood or marriage; kinship. 3. A particular type of connection existing between people related to or having dealings with each other: has a close relationship with his siblings. 4. A romantic or sexual involvement.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
relation
SYLLABICATION: re•la•tion
PRONUNCIATION: r-lshn
NOUN: 1. A logical or natural association between two or more things; relevance of one to another; connection: the relation between smoking and heart disease. 2. The connection of people by blood or marriage; kinship. 3. A person connected to another by blood or marriage; a relative. 4. The way in which one person or thing is connected with another: the relation of parent to child. 5. relations a. The mutual dealings or connections of persons, groups, or nations in social, business, or diplomatic matters: international relations. b. Sexual intercourse. 6. Reference; regard: in relation to your inquiry. 7a. The act of telling or narrating. b. A narrative; an account. 8. Law The principle whereby an act done at a later date is considered to have been done on a prior date.
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Comment: "Many thanks,
Paul"
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employment relationship
Ya
Reference:
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Paul Slocomb
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pdmaggiora
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María Eugenia Wachtendorff
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employment relationships
You get about 25,000 hits in search engines with this description.
Glad to be helpful, if I was, Paul.
Val
Glad to be helpful, if I was, Paul.
Val
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The classic definition of human resources/personnel management...
...as a function that regularly occupies labour relations in organizations, can be insufficient if not unsatisfactory, given that it doesn`t sufficiently emphasise the macro or organizational perspective compared with the micro or traditionally individual that constitutes the foundation stone of the new approach.
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Note added at 2002-10-10 15:54:49 (GMT)
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Apart from the discussion below, I would go for personnel management as its much closer to what the text is describing.
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Note added at 2002-10-10 16:00:26 (GMT)
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Yep, slight slip up there.....as the function that regulates employment relations...like you say, Jane
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Note added at 2002-10-10 15:54:49 (GMT)
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Apart from the discussion below, I would go for personnel management as its much closer to what the text is describing.
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Note added at 2002-10-10 16:00:26 (GMT)
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Yep, slight slip up there.....as the function that regulates employment relations...like you say, Jane
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Paul Slocomb
: Nothing in the Spanish is occupying labor relations.
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I don`t understand your point. And given that you`ve spelt labour - labor, your american learnt English must tell you that this is THE phrase for refering to employment relations (as has also been suggested).In any case I was translating TO English
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Refugio
: I see this as essentially meaning the same thing as Jane's entry. Paul, while disagreeing, do you have a better solution?
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Maria Riegger (X)
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regulates the employer/employee relationship in organization
that;s what it says
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Paul Slocomb
: Where does it say that?
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Refugio
: Exactly what I was going to say, except let's make organization plural
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Maria Riegger (X)
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