Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
costos variables no combustibles
English translation:
non-fuel variable costs
Added to glossary by
María Eugenia Wachtendorff
Jun 20, 2008 20:43
16 yrs ago
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Spanish term
costos variables no combustibles
Spanish to English
Bus/Financial
Engineering (general)
Además del precio referido en el punto anterior, por cada unidad de GN entregado o puesto a disposición del respectivo XXXX o YYYY, éstos deberán pagar:
(a) la diferencia positiva o negativa entre el costo variable no combustible por el uso de diesel menos los costos variables no combustibles por el uso de gas.
Para estos efectos se estará a la diferencia menor de los referidos costos variables, expresados en US$/BTU pci, que hubieren informado al CDEC-SING los distintos generadores del sistema en la última fecha más cercana a la entrega de GN.
(a) la diferencia positiva o negativa entre el costo variable no combustible por el uso de diesel menos los costos variables no combustibles por el uso de gas.
Para estos efectos se estará a la diferencia menor de los referidos costos variables, expresados en US$/BTU pci, que hubieren informado al CDEC-SING los distintos generadores del sistema en la última fecha más cercana a la entrega de GN.
Proposed translations
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5 +1 | non-fuel variable costs |
jack_speak
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4 +1 | variable non-fuel costs |
Edward Tully
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3 | variable costs excluding fuel |
Jennifer Levey
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Proposed translations
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non-fuel variable costs
This is my area of specialy. (It is not about engineering, but about power generation). They are referring to the variable costs of operating the unit by burning oil versus switching over to natural gas. Dual-fuel generating stations, when deciding which fuel to burn, consider not only the cost differential of the fuel, but also the difference in the variable operating costs, both fuel-related and non-fuel-related variable costs, of operating on gas versus oil in determining which will be more lucrative.
I would say:
(a) the positive or negative difference between the non-fuel variable costs using oil minus the non-fuel variable costs using gas.
Regarding the above debate, I agree with mediamatrix that there is no justification for trying to simplify the phrase by omitting the legal precision in the translation.
María Eugenia's own translation is perfectly fine, except we usually use teh term "oil" instead of "diesel."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_1997_July_9/a...
"issued a plan describing how it will sell the utility's gas and oil fueled generating plants"
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-06-20 23:41:13 GMT)
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"Evaluation of Non-fuel Variable Costs of Power Generation. Category: Case Evaluated the non-fuel variable costs of power generation to evaluate the ..."
http://www.lecg.com/about/representativeexperience/Represent...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-06-20 23:43:45 GMT)
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"The non-fuel variable costs and insurance costs are included in the non-fuel base rate while the fuel costs and operation and maintenance costs are pass- ..."
http://www.our.org.jm/PDF-FILES/jpsratechangeapril2003.pdf
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-06-20 23:50:50 GMT)
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"d) average fuel and non-fuel variable costs by MWh for each of the last five years; and e) the most recent ..."
http://www.state.ia.us/government/com/util/docs/orders/2001/...
"b) Forecasted average production price, corresponding to fuel and non-fuel variable costs."
http://www.sirese.gov.bo/MarcoLegal/Electricidad/Reg_Anex1.h...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-06-21 00:01:34 GMT)
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This is not about gas or diesel bills. It is about dispatch of generating units by the central dispatcher, on the basis of operating costs. The concept is "economic dispatch" wherebyt the cheapest plants are dispatched first.
In New England, US, the central dispatcher is ISO-NE.
See pages 51 and 58 of this official document and note how they use the term "non-fuel variable costs" :
"...ignoring non-fuel variable costs and start-up and no-load costs. Generators with a thermal heat rate..." p. 51
"Also not that non-fuel variable costs and start-up and no-load costs are ignored." p. 58
http://www.iso-ne.com/pubs/spcl_rpts/2004/interim_report_jan...
I would say:
(a) the positive or negative difference between the non-fuel variable costs using oil minus the non-fuel variable costs using gas.
Regarding the above debate, I agree with mediamatrix that there is no justification for trying to simplify the phrase by omitting the legal precision in the translation.
María Eugenia's own translation is perfectly fine, except we usually use teh term "oil" instead of "diesel."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_1997_July_9/a...
"issued a plan describing how it will sell the utility's gas and oil fueled generating plants"
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-06-20 23:41:13 GMT)
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"Evaluation of Non-fuel Variable Costs of Power Generation. Category: Case Evaluated the non-fuel variable costs of power generation to evaluate the ..."
http://www.lecg.com/about/representativeexperience/Represent...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-06-20 23:43:45 GMT)
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"The non-fuel variable costs and insurance costs are included in the non-fuel base rate while the fuel costs and operation and maintenance costs are pass- ..."
http://www.our.org.jm/PDF-FILES/jpsratechangeapril2003.pdf
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-06-20 23:50:50 GMT)
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"d) average fuel and non-fuel variable costs by MWh for each of the last five years; and e) the most recent ..."
http://www.state.ia.us/government/com/util/docs/orders/2001/...
"b) Forecasted average production price, corresponding to fuel and non-fuel variable costs."
http://www.sirese.gov.bo/MarcoLegal/Electricidad/Reg_Anex1.h...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-06-21 00:01:34 GMT)
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This is not about gas or diesel bills. It is about dispatch of generating units by the central dispatcher, on the basis of operating costs. The concept is "economic dispatch" wherebyt the cheapest plants are dispatched first.
In New England, US, the central dispatcher is ISO-NE.
See pages 51 and 58 of this official document and note how they use the term "non-fuel variable costs" :
"...ignoring non-fuel variable costs and start-up and no-load costs. Generators with a thermal heat rate..." p. 51
"Also not that non-fuel variable costs and start-up and no-load costs are ignored." p. 58
http://www.iso-ne.com/pubs/spcl_rpts/2004/interim_report_jan...
Note from asker:
WOW! Your answer is excellent, Jack. I recognize my mistake - I just kept the classification of my previous questions. This part of the contract is, as you say, about power generation. Unfortunately, I cannot make any further disclosures, but you saved me from misinterpreting a crucial point. Thank you very, very much! |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Jennifer Levey
: I bow to your superior knowledge - and thank you for your support re the earlier debate.
13 hrs
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Thank you, mediamatrix.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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7 mins
variable non-fuel costs
[PDF] COMMISSION FOR ELECTRICITY REGULATION Formato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Versión en HTML
and financial parameters used and establishes a BNE price in pence per ..... We have shown separate estimates for fixed and variable non-fuel costs. ...
www.cer.ie/cerdocs/cer9908.pdf - Páginas similares
[PDF] THE PRICE AND DISPATCH IMPACT OF A CENTRALISED WHOLESALE ... Formato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Versión en HTML
Contract for differences – a financial swap contract .... of €19.3/kW p.a. and variable non-fuel costs of 0.084€c/kWh (all 2002 money). ...
www.cer.ie/GetAttachment.aspx?id=09116fbc-7a54-42bd-a7af-ae... - Páginas similares
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and financial parameters used and establishes a BNE price in pence per ..... We have shown separate estimates for fixed and variable non-fuel costs. ...
www.cer.ie/cerdocs/cer9908.pdf - Páginas similares
[PDF] THE PRICE AND DISPATCH IMPACT OF A CENTRALISED WHOLESALE ... Formato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Versión en HTML
Contract for differences – a financial swap contract .... of €19.3/kW p.a. and variable non-fuel costs of 0.084€c/kWh (all 2002 money). ...
www.cer.ie/GetAttachment.aspx?id=09116fbc-7a54-42bd-a7af-ae... - Páginas similares
Más resultados de www.cer.ie »
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variable costs excluding fuel
It probably refers to the variable costs that appear in the diesel and gas bills which do not relate specifically to the cost of the fuel itself. These costs might include delivery charges (for diesel), meter charges (for gas) and maybe (if the text refers to Chile) the 'impuesto especial' that has had a lot of bad press in recent weeks.
Note from asker:
Hola, Mediamatrix. Veo que entiendes mucho sobre este tema. Por favor, mira la nota que agregué. ¡Gracias! |
Discussion
(a) the positive or negative difference between the non-fuel variable cost for the use of diesel minus the non-fuel variable costs for the use of gas.
¿Qué les parece?
Edward: Los puntos ya son tuyos, ¿me das una manito?
¡Gracias!