Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Portuguese term or phrase:
recorte espacial
English translation:
spatial boundary
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Lara Barnett
Jan 21, 2022 16:52
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Portuguese term
recorte espacial
Portuguese to English
Social Sciences
History
Academic essay on formation of Brazil
This is from an academic essay on the formation of Brazil, relating at this point to human slavery and other abuses.
"Todos estes elementos juntos expõem não um momento específico, isolado, mas uma vergonhosa tradição nos processos relativos a apropriação territorial desde que o recorte espacial se constituiu como referente aos domínios ibéricos daquela América Portuguesa.."
I am unsure whether the idea relates more to "spatial distribution" or to the "splitting", "mapping", "dividing" aspect, so I am just looking for the most accurate nuance here. I don't think a literal translation can work, and I am not so keen on the existing Proz entries on this phrase,
"Todos estes elementos juntos expõem não um momento específico, isolado, mas uma vergonhosa tradição nos processos relativos a apropriação territorial desde que o recorte espacial se constituiu como referente aos domínios ibéricos daquela América Portuguesa.."
I am unsure whether the idea relates more to "spatial distribution" or to the "splitting", "mapping", "dividing" aspect, so I am just looking for the most accurate nuance here. I don't think a literal translation can work, and I am not so keen on the existing Proz entries on this phrase,
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +1 | spatial boundary |
Barbara Cochran, MFA
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4 +2 | territorial division |
Muriel Vasconcellos
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3 +2 | spatial distribution |
Clauwolf
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4 | spatial outline |
Katarina Peters
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Proposed translations
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Selected
spatial boundary
Since the source text seems to be differentiating between the Iberian oppressors and those who have been inhabitants of the territory prior to the former's arrival. "Spatial boundary" is both a geographical and psychological term.
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"...since the spatial boundary evolved in such a way that it separated/created a divisionbetween", etc., or something similar to that.
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"...since the spatial boundary evolved in such a way that it separated/created a divisionbetween", etc., or something similar to that.
Note from asker:
Thanks, how would you phrase this using boundary? |
Thanks, but I am wondering if boundary could work on its own, as land space is given and understood in terms of this word, i.e. "spatial" seems redundant here. |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Muriel Vasconcellos
: You are correct. See my note in the Discussion about the Treaty of Tordesillas.
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Ah, yes, Muriel. I remember writing about the Treaty of Tordesillas in one of the book translations I did for a Professor Emeritus of Geography and History. Professors usually do see eye to eye... Thanks!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you."
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spatial distribution
:) Considering the context
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Mario Freitas
: ou land distribution, já que a galera na época rateava as terras americanas com se fossem bananas.
16 mins
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os portugueses estão reclamando (época de Tordesilhas) que os espanhois estavam com muita terra do seu lado...:)
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agree |
Aldo Pereira
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obrigado
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spatial outline
it seems to refer to the occupied part of land owned by Portugal.
In other context, a 'recorte' in Brazilian Portuguese is a 'cutout' (e.g., from a newspaper)
In other context, a 'recorte' in Brazilian Portuguese is a 'cutout' (e.g., from a newspaper)
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4 hrs
territorial division
Barbara's answer is the closest. Read about the Treaty of Tordesillas at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas
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Also 'territorial demarcation'
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Note added at 19 hrs (2022-01-22 12:10:19 GMT)
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Synonyms for 'division':
apportionment, bisection, demarcation, partition,
(I rejected 'carving out' because the line is too arbitrary.)
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Note added at 18 hrs (2022-01-22 11:44:40 GMT)
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Also 'territorial demarcation'
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Note added at 19 hrs (2022-01-22 12:10:19 GMT)
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Synonyms for 'division':
apportionment, bisection, demarcation, partition,
(I rejected 'carving out' because the line is too arbitrary.)
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Barbara Cochran, MFA
: Exactly what it is.
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Thank you, Barbara!
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agree |
Mario Freitas
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Thank you, Mario!
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Reference comments
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Reference:
A mim parece-me que apropriação territorial, 3 palavras antes, nos dá uma pista par a tradução 'espaço territorial' - mapping, your best sggestion for me
Multicriteria Geologic Data Analysis for Mineral
Favorability Mapping: - https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1014235703541()
Multicriteria Geologic Data Analysis for Mineral
Favorability Mapping: - https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1014235703541()
Discussion
I am sorry if you did not understand my language usage, but if you consider the context around the rest of the paragraph, you may start to understand what I meant (I.e.the relevance is found either side of the line ).
Thank you for help, and once again, I am sorry if my figurative use of language has either confused or offended you, as seems to be the case.
"Structure of the line"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_line#Structure_of_th...
https://www.waterlooassociation.org.uk/2016/06/15/pictons-di...
"This study looks at the STRUCTURE OF THE DIVISION from its famous commander downwards, through the Brigade and battalion officers to the regiments themselves, examining the command structure of such a formation. "
I envy you this assignment! My husband was a Brazilian historian and historic preservationist. He used to give lectures about the Treaty of Tordesillas.
For your information, I was referring to the division/boundary when I said structuring. Sorry, maybe I should have just said line, but I was referring to the point it was placed with regards to the structure of Iberian land one side and Portuguese American the other.
https://vividmaps.com/spain-portugal-divided-world/
Below are two more links to maps showing how arbitrary the line was. Much of it covers open ocean.
https://crossingtheoceansea.com/OceanSeaPages/OS-64-Tordesil...
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/173740498098312164/
Barbara seems to have picked up on the nuance I was looking for because this relates to both the "cutting up" of land and the social administrative consequences.