Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Italian term or phrase:
\"tristiloquio\"
English translation:
tristiloqium/dreary parlance
Added to glossary by
Barbara Cochran, MFA
Apr 14, 2018 15:46
6 yrs ago
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\"tristiloquio\"
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La classificazione dantesca dei volgari italiani tiene conto, naturalmente, di molti elementi che in fondo potremmo già definire "linguistici": nello scartare, ad esempio, i dialetti liguri egli sostiene che essi sono eccessivamente abbondanti di "zeta" (cosa che era evidentemente vera ai suoi tempi, e che è molto meno vera oggi); a proposito dei dialetti lombardi, il poeta fiorentino dice che anche i milanesi, i bergamaschi e i loro vicini vanno "estirpati via", perché dire occiòver per "ottobre" gli pare degno di scherno; del dialetto di Padova sottolinea la caratteristica del tipo mercò per "mercato", e dei trevigiani e bresciani osserva la tendenza a troncare le parole (nof per "nuovo"). Quanto ai romani, poi, il giudizio di Dante è durissimo: quello di Roma non è per lui neppure un dialetto, ma un "tristiloquio".
Molte Grazie,
Barbara
La classificazione dantesca dei volgari italiani tiene conto, naturalmente, di molti elementi che in fondo potremmo già definire "linguistici": nello scartare, ad esempio, i dialetti liguri egli sostiene che essi sono eccessivamente abbondanti di "zeta" (cosa che era evidentemente vera ai suoi tempi, e che è molto meno vera oggi); a proposito dei dialetti lombardi, il poeta fiorentino dice che anche i milanesi, i bergamaschi e i loro vicini vanno "estirpati via", perché dire occiòver per "ottobre" gli pare degno di scherno; del dialetto di Padova sottolinea la caratteristica del tipo mercò per "mercato", e dei trevigiani e bresciani osserva la tendenza a troncare le parole (nof per "nuovo"). Quanto ai romani, poi, il giudizio di Dante è durissimo: quello di Roma non è per lui neppure un dialetto, ma un "tristiloquio".
Molte Grazie,
Barbara
Proposed translations
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| 2 +2 | "tristiloqium" |
Marco Solinas
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| 4 | (a) sad speaking/speak |
Lisa Jane
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| 3 | sadloquium |
Shabelula
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Apr 19, 2018 05:48: Barbara Cochran, MFA Created KOG entry
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"tristiloqium"
"Tristiloquium" (within quotation marks) is sometimes used in English versions of "De vulgari eloquentia" (see, for example, https://books.google.ca/books?id=yuOmBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA... ). This book includes a translation ("dreary parlance") within brackets: https://books.google.ca/books?id=tBhcAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR56&lpg=PR...
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(a) sad speaking/speak
from triste=sad + loquor (lat)=to speak/speaking
literally:
a sad speak
a sorry speaking
maybe "a sad excuse for speaking" to keep the tone
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Note added at 29 mins (2018-04-14 16:16:17 GMT)
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here, Dante is said to have dscribed it as a 'vulgar tongue'-perhaps that works better
https://www.thelocal.it/20170201/twelve-dialect-words-youll-...
The Roman dialect was being singled out by poet Dante as the ugliest in all of Italy. He said it wasn't worthy of being described as a 'vulgar tongue' but was merely 'profanity'. In fact, some people call the dialect 'Romanaccio' (instead of the more formal 'Romanesco'), with the term 'accio' usually carrying negative connotations.
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Note added at 31 mins (2018-04-14 16:18:04 GMT)
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It all depends if you are looking for the accepted version or just an explanatory one which would still be useful if you keep the original word in inverted commas.
literally:
a sad speak
a sorry speaking
maybe "a sad excuse for speaking" to keep the tone
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Note added at 29 mins (2018-04-14 16:16:17 GMT)
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here, Dante is said to have dscribed it as a 'vulgar tongue'-perhaps that works better
https://www.thelocal.it/20170201/twelve-dialect-words-youll-...
The Roman dialect was being singled out by poet Dante as the ugliest in all of Italy. He said it wasn't worthy of being described as a 'vulgar tongue' but was merely 'profanity'. In fact, some people call the dialect 'Romanaccio' (instead of the more formal 'Romanesco'), with the term 'accio' usually carrying negative connotations.
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Note added at 31 mins (2018-04-14 16:18:04 GMT)
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It all depends if you are looking for the accepted version or just an explanatory one which would still be useful if you keep the original word in inverted commas.
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bluenoric
: in the text you linked they use "profanity" for tristiloquio
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sadloquium
ok it's no more than a joyful attempt of mine
as tristiloquio is never used in common talking, and the -loquial desinence exists in English, with some creativity, this could combine the Latin flavour and the meaning
as tristiloquio is never used in common talking, and the -loquial desinence exists in English, with some creativity, this could combine the Latin flavour and the meaning
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: I know lots of people think that 'anything goes' in English, but that's not really true
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tks anyway
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bluenoric
: @writeaway: I agree, but the same can be said about tristiloquium
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a merging attempt, "sad" is more English than "tristi" I guess
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