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Jun 13, 2009 15:47
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Italian term
persona idonea (PEI)
Italian to English
Tech/Engineering
Engineering: Industrial
levels of personnel able to carry out electrical work
"La norma CEI 11-27/1 precisa le diverse qualifiche degli addetti alla manutenzione elettrica (PEI – PES – PAV) e a quali requisiti devono soddisfare: la ***persona idonea*** ha istruzione esperienza ed affidabilità tali da permettergli di eseguire in sicurezza ed autonomia lavori elettrici sotto tensione."
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I have translations for the PES=Persona esperta=Skilled person, the PAV=Persona avvertita=Informed person, but haven't found anything for PEI, who appears to be 'better' than the Skilled person. I am thinking of going with 'Expert person', but am wondering what other people use for this.
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TIA :o)
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I have translations for the PES=Persona esperta=Skilled person, the PAV=Persona avvertita=Informed person, but haven't found anything for PEI, who appears to be 'better' than the Skilled person. I am thinking of going with 'Expert person', but am wondering what other people use for this.
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TIA :o)
Proposed translations
(English)
5 +1 | ideal person (IP) |
Constantinos Faridis (X)
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5 | person in charge of electrical installation |
Being Earnest
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3 +1 | suitable candidates |
polyglot45
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4 | competent person |
Ivana UK
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3 | trained/specialized person/personnel |
Maria Vita Licata
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Proposed translations
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15 mins
ideal person (IP)
All athletes (IMA, IFA, IA) will be rated as more masculine than ideal female persons (IFP) and ideal persons (IP). However, because athletes in general are ...
www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&se=gglsc&d=5002246405 -
από BA Martin - 1995 -
Who according to u is an ideal person ..? - Yahoo! Answers India - [ Μετάφραση αυτής της σελίδας ]u have to specify ur question kiddo according to me an ideal person is an ideal ... an ideal person is one who is true to himself , cherishes friendship and ...
in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060905223519AAvaFGb -
Google Booksαπό Steven J. Frank - 2006 - Law - 170
... who is the ideal person to assume these various roles
www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&se=gglsc&d=5002246405 -
από BA Martin - 1995 -
Who according to u is an ideal person ..? - Yahoo! Answers India - [ Μετάφραση αυτής της σελίδας ]u have to specify ur question kiddo according to me an ideal person is an ideal ... an ideal person is one who is true to himself , cherishes friendship and ...
in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060905223519AAvaFGb -
Google Booksαπό Steven J. Frank - 2006 - Law - 170
... who is the ideal person to assume these various roles
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Dr Lofthouse
: in the context of this sentence, this sounds better
7 hrs
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thanks
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+1
23 mins
suitable candidates
deliberately in the plural and for the part between asterisks - this is a context-related reply
Note from asker:
Thanks, but I don't think this is quite it here (see discussion entry). |
17 hrs
trained/specialized person/personnel
Does it convey the idea? Just a suggestion
1 day 16 hrs
person in charge of electrical installation
From the CEI Norm the categories are:
Sect. 3.2
Nominated person in control of a work activity
Nominated person in control of an electrical installation
Skilled person
Instructed person
Ordinary person
If you require the Std. I can supply
EN50110-1
Sect. 3.2
Nominated person in control of a work activity
Nominated person in control of an electrical installation
Skilled person
Instructed person
Ordinary person
If you require the Std. I can supply
EN50110-1
4 hrs
competent person
on reading your note I agree that suitable candidate doesn't fit.
Expert person seems a better translation for 'persona esperta' - maybe you could switch them around and use skilled person for persona idonea and expert person for persona experta (which makes more sense)?
Competent person might be another option for 'persona idonea'.
Competent Person: A person with suitable and sufficient technical knowledge or ... If the Skilled Person thereafter accepts the Standing Instruction that person ...
www.shepublic.stfc.ac.uk/Codes/DL/SC02 Electrical/... -
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Note added at 529 days (2010-11-24 16:01:17 GMT)
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Just adding this:
The 'person' definitions were in the 16th Edition but are of particular importance in the 17th Edition. They are:
* Skilled Person: 'A person with technical knowledge or sufficient experience to enable him/her to avoid dangers which electricity may create'.
* Instructed Person: 'A person adequately advised or supervised by skilled persons to enable him/her to avoid dangers which electricity may create'.
* Ordinary Person: 'A person who is neither a skilled person nor an instructed person'.
These definitions are crucial as can be understood by Regulation 522.6.7. This requires that, where the installation is not intended to be under the supervision of a skilled or instructed person, and where measures to provide mechanical protection, such as those listed above, have not been applied, then cables must be: run in 'safe zones' (ie. run horizontally or vertically to the outlet point); and protected by a 30mA RCD.
The definitions of a 'skilled person' and an 'instructed person' are given above, but Regulation 411.3.3 associates electrical installations that are under the supervision of skilled or instructed persons with commercial and industrial locations, not domestic premises.1
Finally, and essentially, there is a new definition:
* Competent Person: 'A person who possesses sufficient technical knowledge, relevant practical skills and experience for the electrical work undertaken and is able at all times to prevent danger and where appropriate, injury to him/herself and others'.
http://www.voltimum.co.uk/news/12239/cm/-competent-persons--...
Expert person seems a better translation for 'persona esperta' - maybe you could switch them around and use skilled person for persona idonea and expert person for persona experta (which makes more sense)?
Competent person might be another option for 'persona idonea'.
Competent Person: A person with suitable and sufficient technical knowledge or ... If the Skilled Person thereafter accepts the Standing Instruction that person ...
www.shepublic.stfc.ac.uk/Codes/DL/SC02 Electrical/... -
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Note added at 529 days (2010-11-24 16:01:17 GMT)
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Just adding this:
The 'person' definitions were in the 16th Edition but are of particular importance in the 17th Edition. They are:
* Skilled Person: 'A person with technical knowledge or sufficient experience to enable him/her to avoid dangers which electricity may create'.
* Instructed Person: 'A person adequately advised or supervised by skilled persons to enable him/her to avoid dangers which electricity may create'.
* Ordinary Person: 'A person who is neither a skilled person nor an instructed person'.
These definitions are crucial as can be understood by Regulation 522.6.7. This requires that, where the installation is not intended to be under the supervision of a skilled or instructed person, and where measures to provide mechanical protection, such as those listed above, have not been applied, then cables must be: run in 'safe zones' (ie. run horizontally or vertically to the outlet point); and protected by a 30mA RCD.
The definitions of a 'skilled person' and an 'instructed person' are given above, but Regulation 411.3.3 associates electrical installations that are under the supervision of skilled or instructed persons with commercial and industrial locations, not domestic premises.1
Finally, and essentially, there is a new definition:
* Competent Person: 'A person who possesses sufficient technical knowledge, relevant practical skills and experience for the electrical work undertaken and is able at all times to prevent danger and where appropriate, injury to him/herself and others'.
http://www.voltimum.co.uk/news/12239/cm/-competent-persons--...
Discussion
I took my answer down after I saw Earnest's answer.
Persona esperta - skilled person PES
Perswona avvertita - instructed person PAV
Persona comune - ordinary person
PEI is person in charge of an electrical installation