Jan 29, 2009 14:35
15 yrs ago
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German term
Austria
Lesley Robertson MA, Dip Trans IoLET
Creative and conscientious
Native in: English 
Works in: German to English
Jausenstation
German to English
Marketing
Tourism & Travel
I know it's a rustic Austrian mountain hut serving simple, traditional food and drink but snack bar or the like (or tavern) doesn't work at all in a rural, Alpine context. Im thinking of leaving it as it is, with no gloss (It's for a brochure with hiking route descriptions). Would be interested to hear if you think that's ok.
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Jan 29, 2009 14:48: Steffen Walter changed "Field" from "Other" to "Marketing"
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Friderike Butler
United States
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Jausenstation (a rustic Austrian mountain hut serving simple, local foods and drinks)
Leave it as a name since there is really no short translation that conveys the image appropriately. You have give a nice description yourself and that is what I would put in () behind the name.
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... or make it part of the narrative
Jause is a substantial cold food serving (for lack of better wording), not just a quick one-fisted snack.
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4SK...
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One of my tourism clients recently gave me some food for thought and stated that their readers appreciated regional linguistic expressions, because the German names seemed more authentic and they wanted the text to read as a description of the "real thing". To them the local names of sights with a brief descriptive narrative made the destination sound more attractive.
I am a big proponent for finding the best translation possible and I am not quick to introduce English terms to a German text and vice versa. In this case I feel that Jausenstation works like a name, because it invokes a very specific image and doesn't have a true equivalent in the English speaking world. Just my HO.
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One option is to explain the concept of a Jausenstation once and then you are free to use the term "Jausenstation xyz" or "Gasthof abc" in the text without further ado.
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Alternative: Alpine hut with food and beverage service - and for the remainder just reduce it to "Alpine hut abc" ... if you really don't want to use the German term ...
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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-29 15:39:09 GMT)
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... or make it part of the narrative
Jause is a substantial cold food serving (for lack of better wording), not just a quick one-fisted snack.
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4SK...
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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-29 15:53:09 GMT)
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One of my tourism clients recently gave me some food for thought and stated that their readers appreciated regional linguistic expressions, because the German names seemed more authentic and they wanted the text to read as a description of the "real thing". To them the local names of sights with a brief descriptive narrative made the destination sound more attractive.
I am a big proponent for finding the best translation possible and I am not quick to introduce English terms to a German text and vice versa. In this case I feel that Jausenstation works like a name, because it invokes a very specific image and doesn't have a true equivalent in the English speaking world. Just my HO.
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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-29 15:59:05 GMT)
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One option is to explain the concept of a Jausenstation once and then you are free to use the term "Jausenstation xyz" or "Gasthof abc" in the text without further ado.
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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-29 16:08:46 GMT)
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Alternative: Alpine hut with food and beverage service - and for the remainder just reduce it to "Alpine hut abc" ... if you really don't want to use the German term ...
Note from asker:
| It's used several times in total - the text is a set of short hiking route descriptions, e.g. "Nach etwas einer halben Stunde Gehzeit ist die Jausenstation *** erreicht" or "Ab dem Gasthof *** geht es ca. 1 Stunde am Bach entlang zur fast 1.400 m hochgelegenene Jausenstation ***" |
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Jutta Wappel
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Thanks, Jutta
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Inge Meinzer
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Thanks, Inge
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Kitty Maerz
: yes, I don't much like the "snack" connotation here either
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Sabine Akabayov, PhD
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Thanks, sibsab
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Ingeborg Gowans (X)
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Thanks, Ingeborg
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Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)
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Thanks, Harald
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Helen Shiner
: I'm really not persuaded of the need to retain the GER and furnish such a complex explanation in brackets - given the nature of the text./I'm not the one who suggests 'snack kiosk' actually!
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You can also make it part of the narrative, but for international audience it calls for an explanation. Snack is just not the same as Jause and an Alpine hut is not a kiosk. // The kiosk comment is not directed at your posting, Helen. Sorry for msndrstnd
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Rebecca Garber
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Thanks, Rebecca
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Claire Cox
: definitely leave it as it is - the one I've come across in Austria is much more than a hut - more like a farm serving delicious wholesome food (more than a snack) to passing walkers. The very thought is making my mouth water....
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yes, best Jause I have ever had was half-way up the Kitzsteinhorn in the middle of absolutely nowhere - thick slices of fresh bread, smoked ham, goat cheese, home-made butter, cold glass of the best milk I have ever tasted ...
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Michael Harris
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Thanks, Michael
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fm1
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Thanks, fm1
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Ines R.
: ja genau so eine Art rustikale Hütte wo Getränke und Essen serviert wird
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Thanks, Ines
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Lonnie Legg
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Thanks, Lonnie
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pme
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Christin Kleinhenz
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Thanks, christin609
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thankyou to everyone for your help! "
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5 mins
snack kiosk
If you leave Jausenstation, I would put it in italics and put an English translation behind it. "Jause" is very specific for the Alpine region (Bavarian, Austrian and Swiss dialects) and is certain not to be understood in English or even by some speakers of standard German.
8 mins
Cilian O'Tuama
Germany
Germany
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Germany
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Works in: German to English, English, German, and 6 more.
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snack station
I wouldn't leave as is, as not many would understand
how about station, if you don't like bar?
how about station, if you don't like bar?
Note from asker:
| It's the "snack" bit that I'm not happy about either. A snack in English has a different connotation to a "Jausen" in a mountain hut in the Tyrol. A "Jausen" is a more traditional, rustic, "herzhaft" kind of snack, whereas "snack" in ENglish has an almost fastfood like quality, doesn't it? |
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Birgit Müller
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huts and snacks stops
wurde dort so übersetzt und klingt finde ich ganz gut
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Note added at 11 Min. (2009-01-29 14:46:31 GMT)
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snack stops - sorry ohne "s"
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Note added at 11 Min. (2009-01-29 14:46:31 GMT)
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snack stops - sorry ohne "s"
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Helen Shiner
France
France
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France
Arts/Academic translator - Art historian
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Works in: German to English, French to English
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traditional snack bar
I would not leave it as it is either, but would the addition of 'traditional' or even 'Alpine' as in 'Alpine snack bar' convey something of the simple, traditional, regional flavour?
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Note added at 19 mins (2009-01-29 14:54:49 GMT)
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What about 'traditional mountain restaurant/café' then, though for me 'snack' does not have to be fast-food?
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Note added at 19 mins (2009-01-29 14:54:49 GMT)
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What about 'traditional mountain restaurant/café' then, though for me 'snack' does not have to be fast-food?
Note from asker:
| It's the "snack" bit that I'm not happy about either. A snack in English has a different connotation to a "Jausen" in a mountain hut in the Tyrol. A "Jausen" is a more traditional, rustic, "herzhaft" kind of snack, whereas "snack" in ENglish has an almost fastfood like quality, doesn't it? |
Peer comment(s):
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Bernhard Sulzer
: with your "mountainous" or alpine" suggestions; my own favorite would be mountain tavern. It's all about eating, and taverns. And they don't have to be rustic but they can be.
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Thanks, Bernhard - I think 'mountain tavern' would be a good solution - I see no reason really for keeping the GER in the text.
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43 mins
Andrew Catford
United States
United States
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United States
Design, Construction, Real Estate
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Works in: German to English
Refreshment(s) Hut
1. Hut should be OK. Your brochure must be full of different huts already.
2. Refreshments. That would also cover real food, drink, even alcohol (a plus for accuracy) and not just Mars bars and vitamin drinks.
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Note added at 44 mins (2009-01-29 15:19:35 GMT)
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refreshment huts, that is!
Example sentence:
You will find refreshment hut at strategic intervals along this route.
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Armorel Young
: I like that - because we are used to talking about "huts" in an Alpine context, and this describes it well (I'm with Helen in thinking it's not a good idea to leave it in German)
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Cilian O'Tuama
Germany
Germany
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Germany
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80
traditional eating place
covers a multitude of sins
1 day 1 hr
chalet restaurant
is a possibility I like
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Note added at 1 day1 hr (2009-01-30 16:00:22 GMT)
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Or maybe "mountain chalet restaurant". Because in many of them, you'll find more than just snacks.
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Note added at 1 day1 hr (2009-01-30 16:00:22 GMT)
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Or maybe "mountain chalet restaurant". Because in many of them, you'll find more than just snacks.
Discussion
So it's used with the name of the "Jausenstation" each time.