Oct 19, 2008 15:48
15 yrs ago
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German term

Verum

Non-PRO German to English Medical Medical: Pharmaceuticals
As opposed to the placebo.

Am wanting avoid a translation that includes the word 'treatment' - so preferably not 'active treatment.'
Proposed translations (English)
4 +4 verum
4 active ... (whatever)
Change log

Oct 19, 2008 18:07: Cetacea changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (3): Harald Moelzer (medical-translator), Ingeborg Gowans (X), Cetacea

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Proposed translations

+4
3 mins
Selected

verum

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english/medical:_pharmaceuticals/7...

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Note added at 5 mins (2008-10-19 15:54:14 GMT)
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The proposed method was applied to a controlled clinical trial with about 1200 patients, in which the **verum** and the placebo groups showed no significant difference in patient survival. We did, however, find two groups of patients who showed differences in the survival due to treatment.
http://atlas-conferences.com/c/a/h/g/97.htm

All patients will receive an intra-operative injection of either XXX or placebo solution. Afterwards, **verum** or indistinguishable placebo tablets, PO, two tablets five times daily from day 0 to 6 post-operatively, and two tablets three times daily from day 7 until day 21.
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00307853
Peer comment(s):

agree Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)
10 mins
Vielen Dank, Harald :))
agree Dr. Anja Masselli
24 mins
Vielen Dank, Anja :))
agree Dr. Johanna Schmitt
1 hr
Vielen Dank, Johanna :))
agree Ingeborg Gowans (X)
1 hr
Vielen Dank, Ingeborg :))
neutral SJLD : rarely used by native English speakers - I would use study drug
1 hr
Yes, I agree. See my KudoZ-Link above where it says "active study drug"
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Yes, I am happy to stick with the original Latin. Thank you!"
22 hrs

active ... (whatever)

IMO the word *active* is critical in contrast to placebo, sham ...

This may be an active drug, an active intervention (in general), an active treatment ...

Someone discussing the old KudoZ question (see URL mentioned) said, also placebo is - strictly speaking - a study drug, but Verum is the *active* study drug.

One of many, many examples:
http://galton.uchicago.edu/~thisted/courses/315/lectures/119...

(I only searched in Google for English pages from .edu sites / univeristies.)
Peer comment(s):

neutral SJLD : strictly speaking, the placebo is NOT a drug, by definition. Anyone who writes "placebo drug" shouldbe shot :-) Study drug, singular, is unambiguous = active substance being investigated/active is fine - I would never use "verum" but what do I know? ;)
6 hrs
I mentioned another opinion in the old KudoZ question - however, my point was -> active! which is much more commonly used than verum in English original texts ;-)
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