Feb 23 16:35
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German term

Holländer Verschraubung

German to English Tech/Engineering Manufacturing Safety
"Ein Mitarbeiter war damit beschäftigt einen 2“ Holländer Verschraubung der Inertgasleitung zu öffnen."
There is nothing convincing online for "Dutch screws".
This is what they apparently look like:
https://www.ece-armaturen.at/Art3331-Hollaender-Verschraubun...
Any hints from someone in the know would be greatly appreciated!

Discussion

Björn Vrooman Feb 27:
A reply to your reply Just so we don't misunderstand each other:

I said "keep things a bit vague" in reference to the conical vs. flat type issue. You yourself said: "...a Holländerverschraubung might be the flat-seal type only."

I thought you made a convincing case that you don't need more than a simple "union" here.

Regarding (a) and (b), there is--or, at least, used to be--the unwritten rule that you agree with the first answerer who (almost) got it right. I was never fond of that rule (and it's not why I agreed with you), because it sometimes meant that people would support answers to highly technical Qs even if they included no references but relied on everyone else to supply them.

A few times, this also meant that with two similar answers put up, some agrees would end up being given to the answer that was posted later and not to the first--because it was edited and thus moved to the bottom of the page.

RE references: I was talking about the Post Reference function next to the Answer button.

Both provide you with the same type of box, the difference being that you can only get points for posting the former, but using the latter can sometimes be helpful too.

Have a good night
Björn Vrooman Feb 23:
@Bourth Yes, that's correct--it's an old Q, after all. Nevertheless, I think it's a good starting point, also because I was more focused on John's comment than the actual answer chosen; he put "conical" in parentheses, as "pipe union" alone might be enough.

Best

PS
As an aside, I merely wanted to prevent people from duplicating the old entry; maybe Holly didn't find it (the ProZ search function isn't that great), but it should be included as a reference for anyone interested in answering. If you got a better suggestion, I'm all ears.

As far as I can tell, it's supposed to be a "Verschraubung mit Überwurfmutter," if that helps any.
Bourth Feb 23:
Contrary to the answer to the previous question referenced by Björn (conical faced union), it seems this Holländerverschraubung can equally well be flat-faced: "Der Begriff ist vor allem in Süddeutschland und Österreich [also CH] verbreitet [so what is it called in the rest of Germany?]. Wie der Begriff Holländerverschraubung entstanden ist?
Holländerverschraubung
Unter dem Begriff Holländerverschraubung finden Sie in unserem Produktsortiment also alle flach dichtenden und konisch dichtenden Verschraubungen ...
https://www.heco.de/hollaender.html
Björn Vrooman Feb 23:
Holly Please make use of the glossary whenever possible:
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/german-to-english/construction-ci...

Best wishes

Proposed translations

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union

Lots of info on different types of Verschraubung here:
https://www.ikz.de/ikz-praxis-archiv/p0305/030510.php#:~:tex...
It looks to me as if the Holländerverchraubung is nothing more or less than a "Konusverschraubung und [or] Verschraubung mit Flachdichtung [and 'Holländerverschraubung' is a convenient way of combing the two types under one name]: Die Überwurfmutter ist auf dem Rohr verschiebbar. Am Rohrende befindet sich entweder ein glatter Bund oder ein Konus. Bei der ersten Variante wird ein zusätzliches Dichtelement (Flachdichtung) eingelegt, bei der zweiten Art dichtet der Konus mit Gegenkonus die Verbindung. Bei beiden Varianten wird die Überwurfmutter auf das Gewinde am gegenüberliegenden Rohrstück geschraubt und angezogen, um die notwendige Kraft zum Abdichten aufzubringen."

If that is so, it is simply a 'union'.

"A union is a threaded fitting which allows the pipe work to be separated and reconnected without any horizontal movement in the pipe.
It can be a standalone pipe fitting connecting two pieces of pipe, or an integral part of another fitting (such as a ball valve) which allows it to be separated.
[If it is a flat-seal union] An O-ring seal sits within the union body, compressing when the union is tightened."

" Pipe Union is a type of fitting equipment designed in such a way to unite two pipes which can be detached without causing any deformation to the pipes. Any kind of small diameter piping connections requiring a positive seal and easy assembly as well as disassembly are made with the help of pipe union. In other words, the pipe unions can disjoint two pipes very easily. They are widely demanded in the pipe fitting market.
[…] A pipe union consists of three parts – a nut, a female end and a male end. To make an effectively working pipe fitting, both the male and female ends are sealed together with the help of nuts. A female threaded fitting has threads on the inside, while in the male-threaded fitting, the threads are on the outside."
https://www.thepipefittings.com/pipe-union.html#:~:text=A pi... [worth reading]

[I don't actually believe a union necessarily has only a male end and a female end, especially in these days of non-binary/gender liberation]

See image.



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Note that a Holländer or Holländerdichtung is — in the southern reaches of the German-speaking realm, at least — a flat seal or gasket. Traditionally such gaskets were those red fibre things that, by swelling when wetted, produced a tight seal. Maybe there's a connection with a waterlogged Holland … These days of course they are more often than not plastic (on cheap Chinese articles), nylon or similar, or rubber.

See image.

On the strength of that, then, a Holländerverschraubung might be the flat-seal type only, not the conical type, contrary to what Heco appear to be saying (see Discussion) with their "Unter dem Begriff Holländerverschraubung finden Sie in unserem Produktsortiment also alle flach dichtenden und konisch dichtenden Verschraubungen".




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Oops. Sorry for shouting. I haven't yet found a way to preview additions to an answer before posting and spot formatting errors, not in the old version or KudoZ and even less in the new version. In case Henry is listening ...

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Peer comment(s):

agree Björn Vrooman : You shouldn't add so many notes (create a reference post instead), because your answer is going to be repositioned each time and people might think you posted later than you did. Like your first link and think it's better to keep things a bit vague here.
2 days 7 hrs
Thanks. a) I'm not worried about positioning b) The Discussion and Reference boxes are too small c) I'm pretty sur 'union' is as precise and technical as it can be in English.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I'm going with "union". Thanks Bourth! The text is a newsletter about accidents and accident prevention across a company's global sites. If it was a technical text I might choose another answer, but for the purposes of this I think something more generic-sounding works well. Thanks all who responded."
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dutchman, threaded/screwed (pipe) union

Difference between a pipe coupling and a pipe union:
https://www.pipesandfittings.com/pipe-coupling-vs-union.html...

Emmannuela's Heco link wasn't bad.
Check the German AND English version:
"Stainless steel unions
Couplings, Dutchmen and elbow fittings are always detachable and, due to the different types of connection, can be used very variably."
https://www.heco.de/en/stainless-steel/threaded-fittings/uni...

The Hollaenderverschraubung/Dutchman is a general term and is not limited/specified to conical seat (or likewise flat seat only) as may have been indicated under discussions.

Also check Dutchman here:
https://merxu.com/en/archive/offer/pneumatics-hydraulics-dut...

Check threaded/screwed union here:
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-xiaomi-rev1&...

Compare Hollaenderverschraubung:
https://www.willhaben.at/iad/kaufen-und-verkaufen/d/hollaend...

google image search threaded pipe union:
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-xiaomi-rev1&...

Peer comment(s):

agree philgoddard : I'm not convinced by 'Dutchman', but 'union' is fine.
11 hrs
Might be a European thing, though a rare occurence. I like it though :) A bit like "french key" and "Engländer"..
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