German term
Einschließtäter
Seems to be prevalent in museums.
Members of the public with an intent to rob who turn up with 5 minutes to closing and hide themselves somewhere?
5 | trapped burglars |
Cillie Swart
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4 | hide-behind or locked-in intruder |
Michael Martin, MA
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4 | break-out burglar |
Daniel Arnold (X)
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3 | closing time robbers/robbery |
Ramey Rieger (X)
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3 | sleeper-burglar(s); lock-themselves-in intruder(s) |
Adrian MM.
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3 | perpetrators/burglars hiding on the premises until closing time |
Birgit Gläser
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3 | Break-out burglar |
Daniel Arnold (X)
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Some ideas for more research |
Alison MacG
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May 24, 2019 19:12: Steffen Walter changed "Field" from "Other" to "Law/Patents"
Proposed translations
closing time robbers/robbery
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Note added at 35 mins (2019-05-24 11:33:27 GMT)
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HI DE! Hmmm, idiomatic? The text doesn't seem very idiomatic, do you mean colloquial? I searched for lock-in/shut-in/hidden/stowaway perpetrators, didn't turn up any results though. This was as close as I came to a single-word translation. Let's wait and see what the others come up with. Happy translating!
yes explains what it means very well. Not sure its all that idiomatic though.. |
Your suggestion does not sound very idiomatic so I went with something else. Thanks for your input. |
sleeper-burglar(s); lock-themselves-in intruder(s)
Täter > offender(s) no doubt short for Stratäter > criminal(s).
I have recently been the victim of a sleeper burglary ..
Mr. Dickson found himself locked in the garage for eight days. He subsisted on a case of Pepsi he found, and a large bag of dry dog food
perpetrators/burglars hiding on the premises until closing time
Also, not limited to museums, seem to happen quite often in large US stores...
hide-behind or locked-in intruder
If the translation is too wordy, it will sound like an explanation, not a translation. We should probably resist the temptation to find linguistic expression for every nuance we read into a German source term. In many cases, such nuances are not made explicit there either. Many terms become established eventually not because the form is super accurate or descriptive but because they're memorable for other reasons.
break-out burglar
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/break-out-burglar-convicted-after-hiding-in-stores-until-closing-1.4334703
https://www.ncleg.gov/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-53.pdf
Break-out burglar
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/break-out-burglar-convicted-after-hiding-in-stores-until-closing-1.4334703
https://www.ncleg.gov/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-53.pdf
trapped burglars
Reference comments
Some ideas for more research
Electronic and optical systems should complement mechanical safeguards to monitor the areas structurally protected, and to activate an alarm in case of a crime (burglary or lock-in).
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In addition [to] mere perimeter safeguards, “trap protection monitoring” should also be incorporated to detect locked-in burglars as early as possible.
Theft by and/or following "sneak in" and/or "lock in" are special types of theft and are dealt with in the same way as burglaries. In these cases, the perpetrator hides in the museum or utility rooms which give him fairly easy access to the artefacts and collectors’ items, making it possible for him to complete the crime after opening hours.
https://www.apsei.org.pt/media/recursos/documentos-de-outras...
The above is translation of the following German document.
Mechanische Sicherungen sollten durch elektronische und optische Systeme ergänzt werden, um die bauseitig mechanisch gesicherten Bereiche zu überwachen und im Fall einer Straftat (Einbruch oder Einschlusstat) eine Alarmmeldung zu generieren.
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Neben der reinen Außenhautsicherung sollte auch eine Fallenüberwachung verwirklicht werden, um Einschlusstäter frühzeitig zu erkennen.
Diebstahl durch bzw. nach Einschleichen und/oder Einschließen lassen stellen Sonderformen dar und wird wie Einbruchdiebstahl behandelt. Hierbei verharrt der Täter im Museum oder in Nebenräumen, die ihm einen relativ leichten Zugang zu den Kunst- und Sammlungsgegenständen ermöglichen, um nach Beendigung des Tagesbetriebs die Tat zu vollenden.
https://shop.vds.de/de/download/8aa8f8f491e66c8493eff9efdc57...
Area protection is also sometimes called volumetric protection. The sensors used for this purpose protect the interior spaces of a business or residence. These devices provide coverage whether or not the perimeter is penetrated and are especially useful in detecting the “stay-behind” criminal.
Area Protection
Area protection is designed to detect the presence of a person within an interior room or space within a facility. This method is used to detect intruders who were able to bypass the perimeter detection system or for “stay-behind” burglars who set off the perimeter system, but are able to hide within the facility until the all clear is given.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/computer-science/protec...
hide-in burglar
One who hides inside a protected premises before closing time with the intent of committing theft undetected after closing time. He would then trip the alarm upon breaking out and make a fast getaway before police have a chance to respond.
stay-behind burglar - Same as HIDE-IN BURGLAR
wait-in burglar - See HIDE-IN BURGLAR
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=9VmjH8OOYSgC&pg=PA221&lp...
As with a PIR, an ultrasonic detector would detect a “lock in” or concealed intruder by that person's movement.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=HJMHsg41xLUC&pg=PA127&dq...
agree |
Björn Vrooman
: Sorry, I should post more references, but it's such a nuisance editing them, especially if something comes out wrong when you're typing too fast. Stay behind seems to be the term of "art" (what a wordplay); also like your second-to-last link. / Indeed!
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Thanks, Björn. (What an odd question this was in the end! The asker went with something else)
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Discussion
Meantime, an ex-London Met copper & private investigator relative of mine tells me that, in UK police jargon, these thieves are called 'sleeper - or bed & breakfast - job burglars'.
Once I've made an entry, I'll get the notifications, of course..
Anyway, "hide behind" works the way "left behind".does. "Stay behind" sounds too innocent to me, not indicative enough of illicit activity. "Locked in" is simply the state of being locked in, outside intervention or not.
But I don't think this is a legal term either.
Oops - just noticed this question is closed... Classic cop-out.
See, for example,
https://www.stmi.bayern.de/assets/stmi/sus/polizei/ic6_poliz... (p. 46)
https://bravors.brandenburg.de/br2/sixcms/media.php/66/ÜEA_A... (p. 12)
"Wertschutzschränke einschließlich Geldautomaten, Geldautomatensysteme, Depositsysteme und Tag-/Nacht-Tresoranlagen"
So, we're back to Ramey's closing time/hidden and Alison's hide-in/wait-in, plus my stay behind, all of which clearly describe what's going on.
@Steffen
Is this is legal, though? I don't want it to be confused with some court docs or something. It's an internal doc created by the museum, I assume.
Best wishes
PS@Ramey
Thank you; same to you! Finally, summer's around the corner! A week or so ago, it was almost zero degrees here--temperatures only bumblebees could enjoy. Well, they're just as important for the whole flower business =)
Also, how do we know that the asker has only two profiles? Are the Russians involved? Do we need R. Mueller to look into this?
Joke aside, I'm not sure why the asker, who is free to choose any of the answers, would feel it necessary to agree somewhere.
@Michael
Regarding your "If the translation is too wordy, it will sound like...": You do realize that Alison and I had suggested three well-established terms before you posted an answer?
Many of the suggestions appear--in one way or another--in the series I watch. When used in context (something you are usually fond of), most don't make sense to me.
While stay-behind does make sense, hide-behind sounds somewhat odd. Hide behind what? The closet? Marie Antoinette's skirt?
Locked-in (as a participle) or lock-themselves-in typically suggests some kind of outside intervention to lock someone up somewhere or something that happened by accident.
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Best wishes
Enjoy your Friday!
https://twitter.com/kununu_US/status/941747388213055488
2) You answered.
3) Deutschenglisch replied: "Not sure its all that idiomatic though"
4) I started posting and said: "Nevertheless, Ramey's 'closing time' is indeed helpful..." Plus, I suggested stay(-)behind.
5) A profile named "thetranscriptor" then said: "didnt say it wasnt useful just said it wasnt very idiomatic. I went for something different but I like stay-behind too"
6) This profile subsequently agreed with the second answerer.
Never mind that you had already mentioned stowaway and that I agree with Birgit about sleeper, but that's a bit odd.
Unless a d-box post was deleted prior to my posts or someone with multiple personality disorder joined the discussion, the asker has two profiles.
Best
"thetranscriptor
17:23
didnt say it wasnt useful just said it wasnt very idiomatic. I went for something different but I like stay-behind too"
Does this mean the asker has two profiles and is agreeing with those who answer the Qs?
Best wishes
http://www.stevekeller.com/SteveKellerandAssociates/Museum_S...
UK, quote by Tate’s Director of Programmes, Sandy Nairne:
"I saw the onward route taken by the guard, surrounded, so it appeared to me, with places where thieves might hide after closing time – the back stairs? Behind partitions on the mezzanine?...It was already clear that this theft was of a kind known as a ‘stay-behind’."
http://artwatch.org.uk/dicing-with-art-and-earning-approval
Am not going to google for more.
"Museum parlance for somebody who enters a gallery as a visitor through the normal route and remains after hours is a 'stay behind.' A bizarre theft involving a stay behind (possibly better categorized as a protest rather than a serious attempt to steal) occurred at London’s National Gallery early one morning in August 1961. "
https://www.securityinformed.com/insights/museums-security-m...
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Nevertheless, Ramey's "closing time" is indeed helpful. Just search for "after closing hours" on these pages:
https://www.amazon.com/Art-Thief-Novel-Noah-Charney-ebook/dp...
https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/featured-articles/protecting-cu...
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/20/arts/design/kunsthal-rott...
https://harvardmagazine.com/1997/03/biblio/biblio.text.html
Or "after closing time":
"...remaining in a public building after closing time"
https://www.courts.ca.gov/documents/BTB_23_2K_4.pdf
And here you get:
"ARCA Blog: Three thieves had remained in the gallery after closing time (this kind of theft is known as a 'stay-behind');"
http://art-crime.blogspot.com/2011/08/part-one-interview-wit...
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