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Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Jetzt sind Ihre Ziele dran

English translation:

I'll get you there/where you're going/where you want to be

Added to glossary by Ramey Rieger (X)
Aug 22, 2014 16:08
10 yrs ago
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German term

Jetzt sind Ihre Ziele dran

German to English Marketing Idioms / Maxims / Sayings phrase in a cv
Introductory line to a CV, followed by the person's name and address.

"Jetzt sind Ihre Ziele dran: Holen Sie sich meine Erfahrung als CFO und VR an Bord."
Proposed translations (English)
3 +5 I'll get you there/where you're going/where you want to be
3 +4 Your success is my mission
5 +1 Now it's time to focus on your aspirations.
3 +1 Time now for your goals:
3 +1 Now on to your own goals.
3 +1 Let's talk about your objectives/Let's talk about objectives
3 -1 Your destination is my point of departure
References
Just some material...
Change log

Aug 23, 2014 06:06: BrigitteHilgner changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"

Aug 27, 2014 08:19: Ramey Rieger (X) Created KOG entry

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

PRO (3): Steffen Walter, Michael Martin, MA, BrigitteHilgner

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Discussion

Thomas Roberts (asker) Aug 27, 2014:
Many thanks for all the suggestions My personal favourite was "Ey up, ahm nobbut rarin to hev a go at streaitenin oot tha bisniss", but unfortunately it wasn't entered as an answer!
I think it's only fair to give the points to the answer with the most agrees.
Björn Vrooman Aug 26, 2014:
@Yorkshireman That's a really nice one!

I guess as soon as you need their services, you don't need to worry about job applications any longer!
Yorkshireman Aug 26, 2014:
@Björn Nice!
Reminds me a little of a newspaper ad for a funeral director in Hannover. The headline was "WEIL SIE ES VERDIENT HABEN" over a picture of a man in black (with a rather intimidating look) in front of two hearses.
Björn Vrooman Aug 26, 2014:
@Yorkshireman I forgot my personal favorite:

You may have a gourmet chef - but he can't cook your books!
Donald Jacobson Aug 24, 2014:
Now, it's your ambitions that are at stake here:
Björn Vrooman Aug 24, 2014:
@Yorkshireman Oh my!

I was tempted to look for my Patois dictionary - after all, Thomas did not specify which type of English!
Yorkshireman Aug 24, 2014:
@Björn Jo mei!
"Thall ev nay more trubble at't mill when tha teks me on."

"Ey up, ahm nobbut rarin to hev a go at streaitenin oot tha bisniss.
Sithee, ahve bin a boss jugglin’t brass an such fur lang enau to knaw wot tha company needs, so yer canna do wiout mi"
Björn Vrooman Aug 24, 2014:
@Yorkshireman You raise a good point.

All the Germans who have so far participated here have been tiptoeing around the real issue: whether the German sentence is actually well written.

The heading as it should have been:

"Jetzt sind ihre Ziele dran. Wenn ich mit denen fertig bin, hau ich hier ab. Darauf können Sie zählen."
Yorkshireman Aug 24, 2014:
The interviewer's answer... Whenever I read a CV that begins like this - thankfully not too often - I like to imagine how the interviewer would respond.

"I you're so good, why did your former employer let you go?"
"If you have such a passion for our objectives, I'm sure you would be prepared to work a year on half salary"
"So, tell me what our objectives are"
"How would you rate your experience at writing CVs?"

"Let's get one thing straight, if we take you on board, our CEO gives the orders."
Yorkshireman Aug 23, 2014:
@Björn That's like starting an interview with "Let's change chairs, my place is at your side of the desk" :-)
Björn Vrooman Aug 23, 2014:
These links might be of some use "Now picture this. You meet someone new. 'What do you do?' he asks.

'I'm a passionate, innovative, dynamic provider of architectural services with a collaborative approach to creating and delivering outstanding world-class client and user experiences.'

All righty then."
( http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130117141235-20... )

Just beautiful :)

Also:
"Critics are divided about whether to write a traditional job target or a positioning statement after your contact information[...]Your final choice depends on your preference and industry. Some journalist and mass communications jobs actually discourage any opening statements at all. Alternatively, a statement that combines skills and ambitions can be worthwhile. If you do use one, try to be attention-grabbing and descriptive. Keep in mind that an opening line sets the tone for your resume and sends implied messages about your abilities and salary expectations."
http://www.askmen.com/money/career_150/189_career.html

Same for CV. Someone might want to explain to me what the German sentence is doing at the top of the CV at all (it also sounds dull).
Björn Vrooman Aug 23, 2014:
@Yorkshireman Yeah, I guess I've developed a certain aversion to "Let's talk about" in business contexts ever since I listened to the Salt-N-Pepa song for the first time...

On the topic of slipups: How about "Your succession is my mission" Ha ha.
Yorkshireman Aug 23, 2014:
@Björn Sounds very US, but it works.
Björn Vrooman Aug 23, 2014:
@Yorkshireman Would your suggestion still work if you said

Let's talk objectives: If you are looking for...
Björn Vrooman Aug 23, 2014:
Not Austrian (VR) For example, you'll find the word on the following page: http://www.litg.de/wir/vorstand.php4

or at: http://www.uni-regensburg.de/Fakultaeten/nat_Fak_I/Mennicken...

However, it seems more like a position in an association.
Björn Vrooman Aug 23, 2014:
@Yorkshireman Did I really just say "unchartered"? Oh my, I even pronounce it correctly. That's what happens when you think of the right thing and the mistake at the same time.

To your second point: Yes I know, I encounter these words frequently too but it doesn't mean I have to like'em. What ever happened to good ol' collaboration?
Yorkshireman Aug 23, 2014:
Vorstandsrat I live and learn. To be honest, I've never come across that before - sounds Austrian.

I hate it when authors mix English and German acronyms.
Yorkshireman Aug 23, 2014:
@Björn I love the slip with "unchartered waters", it fits perfectly if the guy applying for the job is an accountant :-).

Seriously though, miltech-speak, or military jargon, turns up frequently in contexts like this - conquer markets, build bridgeheads, take by storm, briefing, attack strategies - and even guerrilla marketing - it's a war out there!
Björn Vrooman Aug 23, 2014:
@Yorkshireman Evening :) No, I think VR is right: VR = Vorstandsrat
Yorkshireman Aug 23, 2014:
Just wondering Shouldn't VR be VP (Vice President)?
Yorkshireman Aug 23, 2014:
Another angle... "If you are looking for sustainable growth/profitability/success, my professional experience as a CFO and VR is exactly what you need on board."
Björn Vrooman Aug 23, 2014:
Anyone thought about the "an Bord" at the end?

When you sail into uncharted waters, it's good to have me on board!

or something...
Björn Vrooman Aug 23, 2014:
Re: objectives and targets I guess the guy's like: search and destroy, search and destroy, ...

That's why he's going on a "mission"!
Yorkshireman Aug 23, 2014:
Goals Fair enough - but the modern world tends to talk about objectives and targets rather than goals and aims.
Lancashireman Aug 22, 2014:
'Your goals' does indeed sound wooden.
philgoddard Aug 22, 2014:
I don't think it sounds wooden.
Thomas Roberts (asker) Aug 22, 2014:
Sorry I should have put this in the question I'm obviously not looking for a translation of any individual term, but rather the whole thing. It probably needs a very loose punchy translation into English. My initial thought was something like "Let's talk about your goals" but that sounds very wooden to me.

Proposed translations

+5
45 mins
Selected

I'll get you there/where you're going/where you want to be

perhaps
Peer comment(s):
agree philgoddard
1 hr
Thanks Phil!
agree Lancashireman : Any phrasing that doesn't use 'goals'.
4 hrs
My sentiments exactly!
agree writeaway
4 hrs
Thanks Writeaway, write away...
neutral BrigitteHilgner : This statement is promising a lot (too much?). What if the company in question is adrift and does not know where it's going? Moreover, it does not sound business-like to me (more colloquial).
13 hrs
I agree that it's exaggerated, but that's not the question, really. The phrase is quite confident, CL 100%!
agree Björn Vrooman : If you MUST translate the sentence (see reference entry), I'll go with this one. @Brigitte "dran" is also colloquial and shouldn't have been included. Ramey's phrase may promise a lot - but isn't that why you're applying for a CIO and not a part-time job?
2 days 21 hrs
Thanks Björn!
agree Gudrun Wolfrath
3 days 20 hrs
Thanks Gudrun, take 'em by storm!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks again."
-1
2 hrs

Your destination is my point of departure

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Peer comment(s):
neutral writeaway : huh?
2 hrs
disagree Cilian O'Tuama : also huh? I'll leave when you reach your destination?
8 hrs
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+1
3 hrs

Time now for your goals:

To take on board ...
Peer comment(s):
agree Inter-Tra : This is also nice
16 hrs
Thank you!
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+1
1 day 52 mins

Now it's time to focus on your aspirations.

Just seems to make sense to me
Peer comment(s):
agree Lancashireman : Time for an aspiration-oriented approach
4 days
Thanks, Andrew
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+1
4 hrs

Now on to your own goals.

Why not tap into my experience as CFO and..?

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I don't have a problem with taking out 'own' for the right reasons seeing that it doesn't significantly alter the phrase anyway. I also still think that this structure in particular is the closest equivalent to the German original which gets the exact same message across without making any assumptions the source text doesn't support. Compare with quote below:

"And if you DO choose to learn from my mistakes and missteps, I’ll be the first to cheer you on when success (by your definition), comes more quickly than mine did. Deal? Excellent. Now on to your goals."

http://mamaredknight.com/business-strategy-question-9-what-a...
Peer comment(s):
neutral Lancashireman : own goal [noun]: 1) in sport, a point that a player scores by mistake against their own team; 2) something that you do which gives you a disadvantage and helps someone else. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/own-goal
3 hrs
I am sure that's fascinating but I have no idea how that's relevant here..
neutral Bernhard Sulzer : I think what Andrew means is neither 1) nor 2) applies here. // The last thing you want is people smiling about second meanings. Plus, I agree w/ Yorkshireman's cmts below. Plus, "your own" goals might fit for ref. to yourself or a friend, not a business.
3 hrs
Duh!
neutral Cilian O'Tuama : an "own goal" is when you score against yourself (usually accidentally), and the opposition benefits. Ein Eigentor. But your English must be improving as you progress.
7 hrs
The notion that you can’t talk about somebody’s own goals in life because there are ‘own goals’ in soccer is absurd. Good luck with your own progress.
agree Inter-Tra : I find your solution really good. The 'neutrals' above nonsense
15 hrs
Thanks, fbbest!
neutral Helen Shiner : Have to agree with the 'neutrals' above who certainly know what they are talking about. How about 'Now, turning to your company's objectives...'/So why reject what we're all saying, since I'm sure you know much more about football than me!
18 hrs
Yeah, I am sure they’re the real experts...I’ve played soccer for 45 years. Telling me what an own goal is like explaining that the Pope is catholic...
neutral Yorkshireman : If goals, rather than objectives or targets, then without "own" - the own is obvious when you say "your" - in a business context, one would be more likely to say corporate objectives or business targets
22 hrs
Finally a ‘useful’ critical comment...I agree with that analysis. I had no specific reasons to include “own” except the sentence seemed to flow better and I reflexively assumed I needed to insert a word to reflect contrast between shifting perspectives.
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+1
17 hrs

Let's talk about your objectives/Let's talk about objectives

Proactive, involves the person/company receiving the CV / shows willingness to discuss and cooperate, shows self-confidence for discussion of objectives at eye-level.

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Other alternative - something like:

"Let's talk about corporate objectives - with my prior experience as a CFO and VR and your track record, we are looking at sustainable success/growth/profitability"

Let's talk about targets
Let's talk about business success

Very popular these days is:

Let's talk about sustainable growth

All depending, of course, on what kind of company/concern/enterprise it is.

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"If you are looking for sustainable growth/profitability/success, my professional experience as a CFO and VR is exactly what you need on board."

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Shortest suggestion:

My aims, your targets
Peer comment(s):
neutral Ramey Rieger (X) : MUST you use 'proactive'? is it the opposite of inactive or non-active? A word creation that buzzes like a mosquito when you're trying to sleep.// Okay, excused!
2 hrs
Sorry - I translate mostly marketing copy - it always gets you in the end
agree Helen Shiner : Yes, and now to your objectives/goals. These are the words used in business.
5 hrs
Thank you, Helen
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+4
7 hrs

Your success is my mission

the emphasis of the German phrase is on "Ihre Ziele" as in "nicht meine Ziele".

It's all about your success
let's (now) focus on your success





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another alternative:

Focused on your success (goals/objectives)

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Note added at 2 days56 mins (2014-08-24 17:04:23 GMT)
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add "always" if too trite: Always focused on ... (it's hard not too sound to cheesy or trite).

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corr: too cheesy ...

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Note added at 2 days1 hr (2014-08-24 17:13:07 GMT)
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... to sound too cheesy ...
Peer comment(s):
agree BrigitteHilgner : I prefer this to the other suggestions - it does not promise too much, it is short, sharp and to the point.
6 hrs
thank you!
agree Rachel Waddington
6 hrs
thank you!
agree franglish
8 hrs
thankyou!
agree Thayenga : Have a nice WE, Bernhard. :)
14 hrs
thank you! You too, Thayenga!
neutral Helen Shiner : I think he/she is specifically referring to the company's goals or objectives. He/she hasn't been appointed yet. Maybe I could make it my mission to realise your objectives (not punchy, but something along those lines better expresses the situation)?
15 hrs
thank you! I was just looking for a punchy phrase for the CV without sounding overly boasting or arrogant. Thanks for your comments, Helen.
neutral Yorkshireman : The mission is to get a job - I don't think writing or saying this would cut the mustard. Much too trite for me.
23 hrs
It's pretty difficult not to sound trite, long-winded or arrogant here. Let me add " (Always) Focused on your success/goals/objectives." Thank you for your comment.
neutral Horst Huber (X) : What would you say to this application?
1 day 2 hrs
neutral Björn Vrooman : You're right: The German sentence is a bit... Maybe you could share your thoughts (reference entry).
1 day 23 hrs
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Reference comments

2 days 7 hrs
Reference:

Just some material...

[Some of it taken from my discussion entries]

"Now picture this. You meet someone new. 'What do you do?' he asks.

'I'm a passionate, innovative, dynamic provider of architectural services with a collaborative approach to creating and delivering outstanding world-class client and user experiences.'

All righty then."
http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130117141235-20...

I think you'll first need to figure out whether any type of (semi-)literal translation works here at all. See:

"Critics are divided about whether to write a traditional job target or a positioning statement after your contact information [...] Your final choice depends on your preference and industry. Some journalist and mass communications jobs actually discourage any opening statements at all. Alternatively, a statement that combines skills and ambitions can be worthwhile. If you do use one, try to be attention-grabbing and descriptive. Keep in mind that an opening line sets the tone for your resume and sends implied messages about your abilities and salary expectations."
http://www.askmen.com/money/career_150/189_career.html

It's for a resume - but the same should apply to a CV (in my opinion).

How would you rate the German sentence: "Jetzt sind ihre Ziele dran"?

Doesn't it remind you of "Jetzt sind Sie dran." -> Jetzt hab ich Zeit für Sie / Jetzt sind Sie an der Reihe (warten Sie, bis ich mit Ihnen fertig bin!)

And because someone said something about colloquial: "dran" is informal. It should be "an der Reihe". Or better yet: "Jetzt ist Ihre Zeit gekommen" (if someone understands the joke)

You may simple have to "invent" something here. Or stick to the normal structure:

"Sales associate with proven record of exceeding individual quarterly sales goals set by corporate headquarters seeks position in management training program."
http://www.ehow.com/info_8014117_good-objective-lines-resume...

CFO/CIO example:
http://www.resume-resource.com/ceo-cfo-executive-resume-exam...
http://www.resume-resource.com/cio-technology-executive-resu...

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simple -> simply
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Lancashireman : Very good. May your 'Sermons from the Mount' never be consigned to the status of 'Pearls in front of the Swine'.
2 days 22 hrs
Thank you. Come to think of it, I doubt even Moses, after coming down from Mount Sinai, would have started with "Now, on to your objectives:"
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