Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
das Göttliche
English translation:
the divine
Added to glossary by
Steffen Walter
Jul 16, 2005 16:30
19 yrs ago
German term
das Göttliche
German to English
Art/Literary
History
Renaissance life
Can anyone help me understand what is meant by the bit in asterisks here? It's part of a medieval world view - expressing the perspective that the human brain/intellect is not designed for thinking or making new discoveries....
"Der menschliche Geist ist ausschließlich dazu bestimmt, ***die Einheit der Seele mit dem Göttlichen herzustellen***."
"Der menschliche Geist ist ausschließlich dazu bestimmt, ***die Einheit der Seele mit dem Göttlichen herzustellen***."
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +1 | to establish the oneness of the spirit with the divine |
Lancashireman
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4 +11 | divine |
NGK
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Change log
Jul 18, 2005 07:55: Steffen Walter changed "Field" from "Other" to "Art/Literary"
Jul 18, 2005 07:56: Steffen Walter changed "Term asked" from "G�ttlichen" to "das G�ttliche"
Proposed translations
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17 mins
German term (edited):
die Einheit der Seele mit dem G�ttlichen herzustellen
Selected
to establish the oneness of the spirit with the divine
The sole purpose of the human mind is to establish (substantiate) the oneness of the spirit (soul) with the divine
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Note added at 1 hr 19 mins (2005-07-16 17:49:46 GMT)
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The problem in this sentence lies with the verb ‘herstellen’. Leo gives a whole page of primary meanings including both \'make\' and \'establish\'.
Does the author intend to say that the mind ‘manufactures/creates/ makes’ this ‘oneness/unity’ with the divine or that the mind
‘establishes/substantiates/proves/demonstrates’ that this link exists?
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Note added at 2 hrs 28 mins (2005-07-16 18:58:16 GMT)
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Both this question and the previous one on ‘Fürstentum’ appear to have been ‘solved’ within 2-3 minutes. The fact is that both ‘göttlich = divine’ and ‘Fürstentum = principality’ are easily found in the Langenscheidt Pocket Dictionary. The Asker is most certainly in possession of dictionaries even larger than the LPD and it is apparent from the way the questions have been formulated that they refer to whole contexts rather than single items of vocabulary.
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Note added at 1 day 49 mins (2005-07-17 17:19:50 GMT)
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... the whole point of the human brain is to establish (find ways to prove) that there is a link between the human spirit and the divine (spirit.\" This is the way I read it.
...if you use the verb \"establish\" you can cover both interpretations ... as in \"establish the oneness of the soul with the divine\" (NGK). Sounds like a peer agree.
I am not sure what point Silfilla is trying to make (in the Ask the Asker box, of all places) or indeed whether it represents a helpful contribution to this question.
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Note added at 1 hr 19 mins (2005-07-16 17:49:46 GMT)
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The problem in this sentence lies with the verb ‘herstellen’. Leo gives a whole page of primary meanings including both \'make\' and \'establish\'.
Does the author intend to say that the mind ‘manufactures/creates/ makes’ this ‘oneness/unity’ with the divine or that the mind
‘establishes/substantiates/proves/demonstrates’ that this link exists?
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Note added at 2 hrs 28 mins (2005-07-16 18:58:16 GMT)
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Both this question and the previous one on ‘Fürstentum’ appear to have been ‘solved’ within 2-3 minutes. The fact is that both ‘göttlich = divine’ and ‘Fürstentum = principality’ are easily found in the Langenscheidt Pocket Dictionary. The Asker is most certainly in possession of dictionaries even larger than the LPD and it is apparent from the way the questions have been formulated that they refer to whole contexts rather than single items of vocabulary.
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Note added at 1 day 49 mins (2005-07-17 17:19:50 GMT)
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... the whole point of the human brain is to establish (find ways to prove) that there is a link between the human spirit and the divine (spirit.\" This is the way I read it.
...if you use the verb \"establish\" you can cover both interpretations ... as in \"establish the oneness of the soul with the divine\" (NGK). Sounds like a peer agree.
I am not sure what point Silfilla is trying to make (in the Ask the Asker box, of all places) or indeed whether it represents a helpful contribution to this question.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you very much everyone! I am going to use "to establish the connection between the human spirit and the divine", or words to that effect. I think we need the ambiguity of "establish" here!"
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German term (edited):
G�ttlichen
divine
to make the soul one with the divine
Peer comment(s):
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Dr.G.MD (X)
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ENGSOL
3 mins
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agree |
Ulrike Kraemer
5 mins
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agree |
Edith Kelly
7 mins
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agree |
Aniello Scognamiglio (X)
: das erinnert mich an "La Divina Commedia" (Die Göttliche Komödie), Dantes episches Gedicht, entstanden um 1307 bis 1327.
15 mins
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Lancashireman
: dem Göttlichen = the divine ...(but not convinced about the bit in asterisks)// At least there is a debate now about the wider context. ‘The human spirit and the divine’ is not the same as ‘man and God’: no one has suggested that ‘man and God’ are one.
16 mins
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The use of the word "herstellen" — as well as the belief that this is the sole purpose of the human mind — indicates to me that this is about overcoming the separation of man and God, not about positing the oneness of man and God as a fact.
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Robert Kleemaier
: to unite the soul with the divine?
38 mins
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agree |
Christine Lam
1 hr
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agree |
Armorel Young
2 hrs
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agree |
Maureen Millington-Brodie
16 hrs
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agree |
Maria Ferstl
6 days
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