Nov 1, 2013 15:15
10 yrs ago
German term
Retired as of Jan 2019!
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English
Erste Klasse für die Masse
German to English
Marketing
Education / Pedagogy
German universities
Erste Klasse für die Masse
Nicht nur in Deutschland, auch in England gibt es Streit um die Bestnoten-Inflation an Unis. Eine Analyse zeigt, dass vielfach nur noch ältere, forschungsstarke Universitäten wie Oxford auf Klausuren setzen - alternative Prüfungen stehen häufig in der Kritik.
More here:
http://www.fr-online.de/wissenschaft/bildung-und-universitae...
I'm assuming that the deep structure here is something like "top-drawer education for all, even in a huge university setting" (?). Thought of "first class for the masses", but perhaps a tad too ideological.
TIA for your help.
Nicht nur in Deutschland, auch in England gibt es Streit um die Bestnoten-Inflation an Unis. Eine Analyse zeigt, dass vielfach nur noch ältere, forschungsstarke Universitäten wie Oxford auf Klausuren setzen - alternative Prüfungen stehen häufig in der Kritik.
More here:
http://www.fr-online.de/wissenschaft/bildung-und-universitae...
I'm assuming that the deep structure here is something like "top-drawer education for all, even in a huge university setting" (?). Thought of "first class for the masses", but perhaps a tad too ideological.
TIA for your help.
Proposed translations
(English)
Change log
Nov 1, 2013 15:21: Steffen Walter changed "Field" from "Other" to "Marketing"
Proposed translations
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46 mins
Heather McCrae
Germany
Germany
Native in English
Germany
Professional and reliable translations
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: German to English
Related KudoZ points
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8
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Top grades for everyone
just another way of dumbing education down so that everyone looks good on paper.
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dumbing down the masses
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dumbing down the masses
Peer comment(s):
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Uta Kappler
: Spot on - Einser für alle!
1 hr
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| agree |
Sven Petersson
4 hrs
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| agree |
BrigitteHilgner
: That's it.
15 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
5 mins
Equal opportunities for all
Just an idea:-)
1 hr
the best (are) untested
This may do it
OR:
top of the class enmasse
the 'no orals' moral
OR:
top of the class enmasse
the 'no orals' moral
+2
1 hr
Great elation about grade inflation
Only the mediocre are always at their best.
In today's classroom, "F" spells..."A"
In today's classroom, "F" spells..."A"
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Lancashireman
: It's a rap.
4 hrs
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| agree |
BrigitteHilgner
: It sounds great but it does require some explanation (which might be provided in the context).
14 hrs
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3 hrs
Nandinipande
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Precise translation, always on time
Native in: English 
, Hindi
Works in: German to English, Hindi to English
Top Grades for All/ Alternative assessment methods under the scanner
Since the article talks about how the focus is shifting from exams to giving grades based on home work assignments and so on.
5 hrs
Elite Education for Everyone
For the TU Berlin text, which is not about grade inflation, on the grounds that if you can't rhyme then you can at least alliterate.
5 hrs
Everyone's an A-student
This headline is not about equal opportunities, it is a criticism of grade inflation. The content of the article supports that notion.
18 hrs
A first for the masses
The article is criticising the fact that the number of students receiving first class honours degrees has risen enormously, meaning that a first is no longer a particularly special grade
Another possibility offered by the Mail is "dumbed-down degrees"
Another possibility offered by the Mail is "dumbed-down degrees"
19 hrs
Firsts all round
Sounds natural to me, at least in British English.
But only if it's the Frankfurter Rundschau article we're talking about. Is it? It seems to me the two texts are unrelated.
But only if it's the Frankfurter Rundschau article we're talking about. Is it? It seems to me the two texts are unrelated.
2 hrs
Michael Martin, MA
United States
United States
Native in German
&
English
Works in field
United States
Creativity wins in the long run
Native in: German (Variant: Germany) , English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
Related KudoZ points
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178
"I (don't ) get top grades for nothing!"/Can we afford to teach the hordes?
I have two suggestions because it may be impossible to find an English phrase that fits both scenarios.
1. "I (don't ) get top grades for nothing!"
There are two versions of this phrase depending on whose side you're on in the debate depicted in the FR article.
2. "Can we afford to teach the hordes?"
My second slogan is based on the TU Berlin article you linked to which is the direction you're going in, I presume. Thus, I would also argue that "Erste Klasse für die Masse" origninally seems to have been about improving students' learning experience rather than a comment on grade inflation.
"Can we afford to teach the hords?" is a rhetorical question we all know the answer to, at least in Germany. The point is it would be unacceptable not to "teach the hords" (read: provide a decent learning experience for all) with the implication being that more has to be done to improve the students' lot.
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I changed my mind - the following lines might be a good fit for both scenarios:
"Raising the masses (not the grades)." (Raise the masses, not the grades)
or:
"Can the masses be raised....(without raising their grades)?"
These below are primarily about grade inflation only:
- Where all the kids are above average.
- Challenging (top notch) classes or easy passes?
- (No) easy passes for the masses?
1. "I (don't ) get top grades for nothing!"
There are two versions of this phrase depending on whose side you're on in the debate depicted in the FR article.
2. "Can we afford to teach the hordes?"
My second slogan is based on the TU Berlin article you linked to which is the direction you're going in, I presume. Thus, I would also argue that "Erste Klasse für die Masse" origninally seems to have been about improving students' learning experience rather than a comment on grade inflation.
"Can we afford to teach the hords?" is a rhetorical question we all know the answer to, at least in Germany. The point is it would be unacceptable not to "teach the hords" (read: provide a decent learning experience for all) with the implication being that more has to be done to improve the students' lot.
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Note added at 3 days9 hrs (2013-11-05 00:28:56 GMT)
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I changed my mind - the following lines might be a good fit for both scenarios:
"Raising the masses (not the grades)." (Raise the masses, not the grades)
or:
"Can the masses be raised....(without raising their grades)?"
These below are primarily about grade inflation only:
- Where all the kids are above average.
- Challenging (top notch) classes or easy passes?
- (No) easy passes for the masses?
Discussion
... one education standard, irrevocable with liberty and equality for all (like the Pledge)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_inflation
http://everydaylife.globalpost.com/having-winners-losers-tea...
A brief glance leads me to believe that the goal is to preserve standards by providing students with the help they need in order to obtain acceptable grades, but without lowering standards.
Or, taking a completely different tack, "The real university challenge",