Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
ciseaux type sauternais
English translation:
Sauternes-type scissors; finely-pointed secateurs...
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Carol Gullidge
Oct 26, 2010 15:50
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ciseaux type sauternais
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Pour la cinquième année consécutive, les coupeurs ont choisi des ******ciseaux type sauternais****** avec une lame très pointue pour faciliter le tri
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Finding it hard to find any documentation at all for this, I've so far come up with nothing better than the somewhat clumsy "Sauternes-type grape scissors".
The grapes in question are Sauvignon, Sémillon and Muscadelle, in the Bordeaux area, for what it's worth.
Does anyone know if there is an official term for these long, pointed scissors?
Any help would be much appreciated - many thanks!
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Finding it hard to find any documentation at all for this, I've so far come up with nothing better than the somewhat clumsy "Sauternes-type grape scissors".
The grapes in question are Sauvignon, Sémillon and Muscadelle, in the Bordeaux area, for what it's worth.
Does anyone know if there is an official term for these long, pointed scissors?
Any help would be much appreciated - many thanks!
Proposed translations
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| 3 +4 | finely pointed secateurs... |
Helen Shiner
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| 4 | Sauternais secateurs |
kashew
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| 3 +1 | small / narrow (nosed) secateurs |
Bourth (X)
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| 4 | custom-made secateurs for Sauterne wine |
staceyvikki
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Change log
Nov 9, 2010 09:26: Helen Shiner Created KOG entry
Nov 12, 2010 12:59: Carol Gullidge changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/882779">Helen Shiner's</a> old entry - "ciseaux type sauternais"" to ""finely pointed secateurs...""
Proposed translations
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Helen Shiner
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finely pointed secateurs...
...as used for Sauternes harvest, or some such.
See links already provided in discussion box.
See links already provided in discussion box.
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Bourth (X)
: Fin(e)ally arrived at the same point (ha!) myself.
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Finely chiselled minds think alike - thanks Bourth
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Alison Sabedoria (X)
: Seems like the best of the bunch!
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Thanks for the grape support!
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Evans (X)
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Thanks, Gilla
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Colin Rowe
: A fery vine suggestion! - or should that be "furry vine" given the nature of the Botrytis cinerea fungus :-)
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Spot on; thanks, Colin
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Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
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Sauternais secateurs
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Note added at 39 minutes (2010-10-26 16:29:56 GMT)
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followed by the blade details.
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Note added at 1 heure (2010-10-26 17:16:33 GMT)
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long-nosed
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Note added at 1 heure (2010-10-26 17:23:44 GMT)
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I'm beginning to think "needle-nosed snips" is a good try!
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Note added at 39 minutes (2010-10-26 16:29:56 GMT)
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followed by the blade details.
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Note added at 1 heure (2010-10-26 17:16:33 GMT)
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long-nosed
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Note added at 1 heure (2010-10-26 17:23:44 GMT)
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I'm beginning to think "needle-nosed snips" is a good try!
Note from asker:
| many thanks for the help kashew, but I did already try this, and came up with nothing on Google. I have to add there's also nothing on the source term either! But I wonder if you're basing this on any experience/knowledge, or is it a guess, albeit a logical one? |
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small / narrow (nosed) secateurs
En Bazadais, la vendange se fait ordinairement dans la première quinzaine d'octobre. Comme il existe très peu de grandes propriétés (sauf en Sauternais), la vendange est faite par la famille du viticulteur, aidée par quelques femmes de journée. Les raisins sont coupés à l'aide de CISEAUX SPÉCIAUX (PETITS SÉCATEURS) et posés dans un panier en bois "lou bastot", vidé quand il est plein dans la "baste" ou un homme, les manches retroussées, procède à un premier écrasement des grains. ... ]
Les vendangeurs procèdent à une première cueillette; munis de leur sécateur, ils s'arrêtent à chaque pied et NE COUPENT QUE LES GRAINS CONFITS, ayant atteint ce degré de maturité qui leur donne un goût exquis
http://www.vallee-du-ciron.com/Documents/Ouvrages/Bazadais/B...
Presumably these "small secateurs" have long thin blades that can be manoeuvred into the bunch of grapes to cut off only the right grapes. Not like the "ordinary garden" secateurs and serpette I have used.
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In this region the harvesters cut the bunches with small knives and not with SMALL SECATEURS as elsewhere. The workers (usually men) then carry what they have picked in straw baskets on their heads to waiting donkeys, who then take the grapes to the almijar (yard), outside the main building. Here the bunches are laid out on esparto grass mats to dry for half a day. Rain at this point is a disaster, for it is essential that the grapes reach the lagares (the square wooden or stone troughs in which they are pressed) absolutely dry.
http://www.nicks.com.au/index.aspx?link_id=76.591
Manual harvesting requires little equipment. The stems are cut by SMALL SECATEURS or hooked-tip knives. The fruit is put into a small container holding perhaps 5 or 10 kg of fruit
http://www.winepros.com.au/jsp/cda/reference/oxford_entry.js...
However, quite what they mean here by "small" secateurs is a bit of a mystery.
There are large and small types, apparently:
As berry sugar levels rise grape bunches become increasingly .... LARGE AND SMALL SECATEURS. ■. Bypass and anvil loppers in 50, 65 and 80mm lengths ...
www.fruitfed.co.nz/.../Facts March 09 - 4.pdf
At Domaine Latour the vignerons will tend to the vines with SMALL SECATEURS in order to individually tailor each and every vine . (canopy management, in July)
http://www.louislatour.com/pages/index.php?lg=uk&id_page=19
The robust secateurs (length 38 cm) can cope with the tough jobs and the handy SMALL SECATEURS (LENGTH 21 CM) are suitable for more delicate tasks [not narrow (scissorlike), however]
www.spaldingbulb.co.uk/index.aspx?list=1&N...start=4
[the "robust" model is what I would call "loppers"]
This set consists of a pair of LARGE SECATEURS (LENGTH 22 CM) for thicker branches and a so-called 'LADIES' MODEL (LENGTH 16 CM) for the more delicate pruning tasks. Robust quality. [not narrow, however]
http://www.spaldingbulb.co.uk/r_91548-042/Garden-tools/Set-o...
I have a pair of POINTED SECATEURS, MORE LIKE HEAVY SCISSORS. Because these have the spring and are reasonably delicate I find I use them ...
www.ausbonsai.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t.
The selection by the pickers in the vineyard is paramount in producing quality sweet wine. Only grapes that are shrivelled, and with white hair from the fungus (‘Ratatine, poilu blanc’) is what the pickers are told to look for and select even if it means cutting the grape in half using FINELY POINTED SECATEURS!
http://nicollecroft.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/2007-sauternes-...
Any damaged or doubtful berries must be removed with SCISSORS OR SPECIAL POINTED SECATEURS — on no account pulled off. Do not press grapes against sides ...
www.archive.org/stream/.../journalofdepartm10vict_djvu.txt
There's a picture here of a "pointed fruit pruner", but there's no guarantee that this is the Sauternes type of tool.
http://www.easyvaninsurance.com/tools/product/Miscellaneous-...
Les vendangeurs procèdent à une première cueillette; munis de leur sécateur, ils s'arrêtent à chaque pied et NE COUPENT QUE LES GRAINS CONFITS, ayant atteint ce degré de maturité qui leur donne un goût exquis
http://www.vallee-du-ciron.com/Documents/Ouvrages/Bazadais/B...
Presumably these "small secateurs" have long thin blades that can be manoeuvred into the bunch of grapes to cut off only the right grapes. Not like the "ordinary garden" secateurs and serpette I have used.
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Note added at 1 hr (2010-10-26 17:23:46 GMT)
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In this region the harvesters cut the bunches with small knives and not with SMALL SECATEURS as elsewhere. The workers (usually men) then carry what they have picked in straw baskets on their heads to waiting donkeys, who then take the grapes to the almijar (yard), outside the main building. Here the bunches are laid out on esparto grass mats to dry for half a day. Rain at this point is a disaster, for it is essential that the grapes reach the lagares (the square wooden or stone troughs in which they are pressed) absolutely dry.
http://www.nicks.com.au/index.aspx?link_id=76.591
Manual harvesting requires little equipment. The stems are cut by SMALL SECATEURS or hooked-tip knives. The fruit is put into a small container holding perhaps 5 or 10 kg of fruit
http://www.winepros.com.au/jsp/cda/reference/oxford_entry.js...
However, quite what they mean here by "small" secateurs is a bit of a mystery.
There are large and small types, apparently:
As berry sugar levels rise grape bunches become increasingly .... LARGE AND SMALL SECATEURS. ■. Bypass and anvil loppers in 50, 65 and 80mm lengths ...
www.fruitfed.co.nz/.../Facts March 09 - 4.pdf
At Domaine Latour the vignerons will tend to the vines with SMALL SECATEURS in order to individually tailor each and every vine . (canopy management, in July)
http://www.louislatour.com/pages/index.php?lg=uk&id_page=19
The robust secateurs (length 38 cm) can cope with the tough jobs and the handy SMALL SECATEURS (LENGTH 21 CM) are suitable for more delicate tasks [not narrow (scissorlike), however]
www.spaldingbulb.co.uk/index.aspx?list=1&N...start=4
[the "robust" model is what I would call "loppers"]
This set consists of a pair of LARGE SECATEURS (LENGTH 22 CM) for thicker branches and a so-called 'LADIES' MODEL (LENGTH 16 CM) for the more delicate pruning tasks. Robust quality. [not narrow, however]
http://www.spaldingbulb.co.uk/r_91548-042/Garden-tools/Set-o...
I have a pair of POINTED SECATEURS, MORE LIKE HEAVY SCISSORS. Because these have the spring and are reasonably delicate I find I use them ...
www.ausbonsai.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t.
The selection by the pickers in the vineyard is paramount in producing quality sweet wine. Only grapes that are shrivelled, and with white hair from the fungus (‘Ratatine, poilu blanc’) is what the pickers are told to look for and select even if it means cutting the grape in half using FINELY POINTED SECATEURS!
http://nicollecroft.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/2007-sauternes-...
Any damaged or doubtful berries must be removed with SCISSORS OR SPECIAL POINTED SECATEURS — on no account pulled off. Do not press grapes against sides ...
www.archive.org/stream/.../journalofdepartm10vict_djvu.txt
There's a picture here of a "pointed fruit pruner", but there's no guarantee that this is the Sauternes type of tool.
http://www.easyvaninsurance.com/tools/product/Miscellaneous-...
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staceyvikki
United Kingdom
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Works in: French to English, Spanish to English
custom-made secateurs for Sauterne wine
Sauterne is a dessert wine from the Sauternais region and so I suggest that the type of scissors be named after the type of wine/grape rather than the region.
Peer comment(s):
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Colin Rowe
: "sauterne" without the "s" at the end and uncapitalized is a US invention and is a semi-generic label for sweet white dessert wines. The French wine is "Sauternes".
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Discussion
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bde3y-a...
I saw another one which mentions just "secateurs" in regard to the Sauterne harvest. http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=148172878554980
Do you have a picture of what they look like?
If so, you could try googling "grape shears" and "grape scissors" and compare the pictures.
I don't really see a way of avoiding "Sauternes-type".