Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
NOTAIRE INSTRUMENTAIRE
English translation:
The executing Notary
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French term
NOTAIRE INSTRUMENTAIRE
Voici le contexte
POUVOIRS
Pour l'accomplissement des formalités de publicité foncière ou réparer une erreur matérielle, telle que l’omission d’une pièce annexe dont le contenu est relaté aux présentes, le constituant donne tous pouvoirs nécessaires à tout notaire ou à tout clerc de l’office notarial du "notaire instrumentaire" ou participant à l’acte définitif de vente, à l'effet de faire dresser et signer tous actes complémentaires ou rectificatifs, pour mettre cet acte en concordance avec tous les documents hypothécaires, cadastraux ou d'état civil.
Merci beaucoup pour votre aide
3 +6 | The executing Notary | Fatima Saab Bailoun |
4 +3 | Acting Notary | Adrian MM. |
4 +2 | officiating notary | Bourth |
4 | instrumenting notary | Daryo |
drawing up documents | philgoddard |
Oct 21, 2022 15:12: Mpoma changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"
PRO (3): Yolanda Broad, AllegroTrans, Mpoma
Non-PRO (1): Anastasia Kalantzi
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Proposed translations
The executing Notary
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When a legal document gets notarized, a notary attests to its validity and proper execution.
The notary executing these documents declares that he has verified the conditions laid down in Article 26 of the Law. Le notaire instrumentaire déclare avoir vérifié l’existence des conditions énumérées à l’article 26 de la loi modifiée du
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AllegroTrans
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Merci beaucoup.
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writeaway
: As also posted in the discussion box
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Merci beaucoup.
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Germaine
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Merci beaucoup.
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Mpoma
: yep
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Merci beaucoup.
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Anastasia Kalantzi
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Merci beaucoup.
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Eliza Hall
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Merci beaucoup.
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Acting Notary
Compare a Notary Signing Agent in the USA: '...has more involvement with the execution of documents related to real estate.'
'The *acting notary* certifies on sight the civil documents as foreseen by the law, the accuracy of the names, first names, [...] globalcitiesdialogue.com *Le notaire instrumentant* certifie au vu des pièces d'état civil prévues par la loi, l'exactitude des noms, prénoms, lieux [...] www.linguee.com/english-french/translation/acting notary.ht...
Yours in hope, AMM. erstwhile Commissioner for Oaths.
ProZ: notaire instrumentaire German translation: beurkundender Notar (attesting, certifying or recording Notary, though is only half of the picture)
Détermination du notaire instrumentaire - ce sont les règlements professionnels qui déterminent lequel des notaires intervenants, celui du vendeur ou celui de l'acquéreur, sera *rédacteur de l'acte et détenteur de la minute*.
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-german/law-general/724253-notaire-instrumentaire.html
http://www.proz.com/personal-glossaries/entry/418744-témoin-instrumentaire-witness-to-a-deed
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Bourth
: Interesting. I was going to suggest that earlier, then thought about the possible confusion with 'acting' meaning 'standing in for'.
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Lara Barnett
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Jennifer Levey
: Potentially misleading, but not wrong.
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AllegroTrans
: potentially misleading as this could imply a deputy: "notary acting" would be slightly clearer
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Germaine
: Misleading. En contexte, ça correspond mieux à "tout notaire... de l’office notarial" qu'au notaire attitré (qui détient les "instruments" dans ses minutes).
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Daryo
: too misleading.
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instrumenting notary
One more case where there is nothing wrong with the most literal translation.
Not used that often, still good enough to be used by the Supreme court of Canada:
Supreme Court of Canada
Gervais v. McCarthy, (1904) 35 SCR 14
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ON APPEAL FROM THE COURT OF KING'S BENCH, APPEAL SIDE PROVINCE OF QUEBEC
Principal and agent—Satisfaction and discharge—Payment in advance— Custody of deeds—Notarial profession in Quebec—Art, 3665 R. S. Q.—Attorney in fact—Implied mandate—Evidence—Parol—Commencement of proof in writing—Art, 1233 C.C.—Admissions—Art. 316 C. P. Q.—Practice—Adduction of evidence—Objections to testimony— Rule of public order.
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due and was held out to the public generally as the plaintiffs attorney in fact, the collector of her rents, interest and revenues and the general manager of her ] business affairs, for many years anterior to and at the time of the payment as well as for several years after the payment had been made and the mortgage satisfied. It is usual and customary, in the Province of Quebec, that the instrumenting notary, who has the custody of the securities for loans made through his ministration, receives the interest and principal of loans made for his clients. Plaintiff admits, in her evidence, that he was authorized to draw all her moneys and reimburse them to her.
https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/13935/inde...
more samples
https://www.google.com/search?q="instrumenting notary"
officiating notary
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I actually meant 'officiating notaire'.
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AllegroTrans
: This may well be part of what he/she does but the crux is drawing up and executing the document(s), so wrong emphasis
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Weeellll ... The documents are drawn up (based on documents from the 1700s in many cases!) by the clercs de notaire, albeit under a notaire's instructions, but they are never the people sitting behind the desk.
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FPC
: Much as I thought "executing" was fine for the meaning, if there's a standardized official translation for the specific context (France and French law), then it's the best choice.
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Daryo
: yes, true - but that is secondary. You define/describe concepts by their main characteristics, and "instrument" is a key part of this one.
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It could be argued that by sitting at his desk and clicking on keys to scroll the document down the big screen in his office, the notaire is himself an instrument.
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ph-b (X)
: and with FPC
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Reference comments
drawing up documents
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See the reference entry in that question.
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No, not "executive".
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"The notary drawing up the documents".
Oh you mean the notary who draws up documents ? So the executive notary ? |
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AllegroTrans
: yes but not "executive"
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Daryo
: yes, and also by implication being the depositary of the instrument - every notary will keep only their "own" instruments - drafted by themselves (*rédacteur de l'acte et détenteur de la minute*).
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