Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
les années 2000
English translation:
the start of the millennium
Added to glossary by
Isabelle Barth-O'Neill
May 23, 2013 10:15
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French term
les années 2000
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si vous avez : les années 60, vous direz les "sixties", les années 80 : "the eighties" etc
Pour les années 2000, existe-t-il un idiome ? Pas à ma connaissance, mais je pose quand même la question.
Le document est une présentation historique d'un pays pour une ONG.
Voici la phrase :
Depuis le début des années 2000, la lutte des séparatistes XXX dans la partie méridionale de XXX s’est ravivée après 20 ans d’accalmie. En 2004, les attaques violentes menées par des insurgés XXX dans le Sud .....
Merci
Pour les années 2000, existe-t-il un idiome ? Pas à ma connaissance, mais je pose quand même la question.
Le document est une présentation historique d'un pays pour une ONG.
Voici la phrase :
Depuis le début des années 2000, la lutte des séparatistes XXX dans la partie méridionale de XXX s’est ravivée après 20 ans d’accalmie. En 2004, les attaques violentes menées par des insurgés XXX dans le Sud .....
Merci
Proposed translations
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3 +5 | the start of the millennium |
Rachel Fell
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3 +4 | After 2000 |
Karen Vincent-Jones (X)
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5 +2 | from 2000 |
kashew
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3 +3 | first decade of the 21st century |
Laura Bennett
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4 +1 | the start of the 21st century |
Jane F
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4 +1 | the 2000s |
rkillings
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4 +1 | the noughties |
Yvonne Gallagher
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3 +1 | since early in the new millennium |
writeaway
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4 | the twenty-hundreds |
Tony M
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4 -1 | from the start of the last decade |
Francis Marche
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4 -1 | The Oughties |
emiledgar
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3 | Since the early 2000s |
James Perry
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3 -1 | Over the first ten years of this century |
merlrennes
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References
Names for the decade |
Yolanda Broad
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Proposed translations
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the start of the millennium
Since the start of the millennium
Trade and development and the global partnership beyond 2015
www.un.org/en/development/desa/policy/.../22_thinkpiece_tra...
Since the start of the millennium, many commodity exporters have also enjoyed improved trading conditions, including favourable movements in their terms of ...
Materials science and engineering professionals from around the world turned out in record numbers at the 141st Annual Meeting of The Minerals, Metals & Materials Society (TMS) in Walt Disney World, Orlando, Florida, making this conference the highest attended since the start of the millennium.
http://www.tms.org/newsletter/PressReleases/168.htm
February/March 2013 Investment Analysis: The Bounce Back
www.charitytimes.com/.../February_March_2013_Investment_Ana...
13 years) is used to describe the period since the start of the Millennium, a period during which the UK stock market has made no progress in capital terms.
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or perhaps "Since the turn of the millennium"
Since the turn of the millennium, Yemen’s two dominant political parties, the General Peoples Congress (GPC) and Islah, have exploited the al-Qaeda threat, according to a Yemeni journalist who has covered the issue for decades.
http://www.jamestown.org/programs/gta/single/?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=39348&cHash=525ae2fd02d76749fb77a30e958ffdd0
In fact, in the first few years since the turn of the millennium there has been a resurgence of support for Christian Democratic parties that had seemed to be in an irreversible tailspin, most notably in Austria and the Netherlands
http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=10371
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well, my links are mostly pretty recent, and I certainly hear mention of the millenium in such contexts - e.g. as used here in the
Columbia University in the City of New York "Journal of International Affairs":
n addition, indeed maybe that is an appropriate description, the administration before the coup had ties with drug trafficking, as did the one before that. In fact, evidence of drug trafficking in Guinea Bissau was clearly seen at the turn of the millennium.
http://jia.sipa.columbia.edu/cocaine-politics-in-guinea-biss...
Trade and development and the global partnership beyond 2015
www.un.org/en/development/desa/policy/.../22_thinkpiece_tra...
Since the start of the millennium, many commodity exporters have also enjoyed improved trading conditions, including favourable movements in their terms of ...
Materials science and engineering professionals from around the world turned out in record numbers at the 141st Annual Meeting of The Minerals, Metals & Materials Society (TMS) in Walt Disney World, Orlando, Florida, making this conference the highest attended since the start of the millennium.
http://www.tms.org/newsletter/PressReleases/168.htm
February/March 2013 Investment Analysis: The Bounce Back
www.charitytimes.com/.../February_March_2013_Investment_Ana...
13 years) is used to describe the period since the start of the Millennium, a period during which the UK stock market has made no progress in capital terms.
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or perhaps "Since the turn of the millennium"
Since the turn of the millennium, Yemen’s two dominant political parties, the General Peoples Congress (GPC) and Islah, have exploited the al-Qaeda threat, according to a Yemeni journalist who has covered the issue for decades.
http://www.jamestown.org/programs/gta/single/?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=39348&cHash=525ae2fd02d76749fb77a30e958ffdd0
In fact, in the first few years since the turn of the millennium there has been a resurgence of support for Christian Democratic parties that had seemed to be in an irreversible tailspin, most notably in Austria and the Netherlands
http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=10371
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well, my links are mostly pretty recent, and I certainly hear mention of the millenium in such contexts - e.g. as used here in the
Columbia University in the City of New York "Journal of International Affairs":
n addition, indeed maybe that is an appropriate description, the administration before the coup had ties with drug trafficking, as did the one before that. In fact, evidence of drug trafficking in Guinea Bissau was clearly seen at the turn of the millennium.
http://jia.sipa.columbia.edu/cocaine-politics-in-guinea-biss...
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Carol Gullidge
: this is a neat way around it!
18 mins
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Thank you Carol :-)
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agree |
MoiraB
: nice and simple, perhaps even with the addition of 'new'
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Yes - thanks Moira :-)
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writeaway
: nice solution, even sounds like English. as for the new millennium, why not. the year 2000 does mark the start of a new millennium, not just a new decade, I mean we can't refer back to see the usage when 999 became 1000, can we?
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Thank you writeaway !
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Tony M
: I can't help feeling that 'millennium' was bandied around a lot approaching 2000, but is now rather passé — unless one is talking in the perspective of a very broad spread of time, which is clearly not the case here.
27 mins
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OK, not sure that I agree, but still, thanks Tony!
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Yvonne Gallagher
: agree with Tony's comment. Haven't heard about "millennium" since 2000. It is also not a word for the DECADE which is what Asker wanted
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OK, not sure that I agree, but still, thanks gallagy2!
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AllegroTrans
: I don't think "millennium" is appropriate usage now that it has passed us by
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Thank you for your comment, although I beg to differ
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Josephine Cassar
: Prefer-Since the start f the millenium
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SafeTex
: use decade or century if you thinking in terms of those time spans. I don't think the article is thinking in terms of around 1000 years. Grammatically fine but pragmatically questionable
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Verginia Ophof
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "many thanks
it raised a lot of discussion !?!?"
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first decade of the 21st century
HTH!
Peer comment(s):
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Sheila Wilson
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Thanks Sheila.
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BrigitteHilgner
: To me, this sounds good.
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Thanks Brigitte.
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kashew
: But it doesn't fit the whole sentence!
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Thanks Kashew.
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disagree |
Yvonne Gallagher
: far too high a register where 60s and 70s are being used
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sujata
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Thanks Sujata.
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philgoddard
: Sorry, but I think this is too much of a mouthful in context. "Since the beginning of the first decade of the 21st century".
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Thanks Phil.
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B D Finch
: Accurate, if wordy.
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AllegroTrans
: The ST isn't specifically referring to the first 10 years
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raptisi
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disagree |
Lara Barnett
: Too long.
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Over the first ten years of this century
Over the first decade of this century (or of the 21st century) is a possible alternative
Peer comment(s):
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Sheila Wilson
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Tony M
: Well, since the original text uses 'depuis', I don't think one can really use 'over' here — and then if you don't, it would make it trickier to implement this construction.
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neutral |
B D Finch
: In another context, perhaps; but I think the register is too discursive for this context and also agree with Tony's point.
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disagree |
AllegroTrans
: The ST isn't referring to the first 10 years
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disagree |
Lara Barnett
: Too specific in relation to the source phrase so may be incorrect.
5 hrs
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18 mins
After 2000
This has the benefit of brevity, and avoids the whole question of what to call this decade. I don't think it's necessary to over-translate here.
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: I think this could actually be the best solution in this instance. / Possibly also 'From 2000 onwards...'
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agree |
Victoria Britten
: With Tony here
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neutral |
Yvonne Gallagher
: but this is not just about the DECADE which is the Asker's question
1 hr
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agree |
Martyn Greenan
1 hr
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neutral |
kashew
: This leaves it open ended.
2 hrs
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agree |
David Goward
: or "Since the turn of the century"
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neutral |
B D Finch
: Not if it is only the first decade.
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agree |
AllegroTrans
: best solution; ST is not specifically referring to the first decade, I think the asker has set some of us on the wrong track
3 hrs
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disagree |
Josephine Cassar
: do not like it, prefer Since the turn of the century, as David suggested
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+1
2 hrs
the start of the 21st century
this is what came to mind before I looked at the other suggestion
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for suggestion read suggestions !
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for suggestion read suggestions !
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2 hrs
from 2000
Depuis le début des années 2000 = from/as of 2000.
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Reading it is another thing!
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Reading it is another thing!
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AllegroTrans
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Thank you
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Tony M
: I'd even be tempted to say 'from ... onwards', which can work well in some instances.
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Thanks, T. Good suggestion.
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from the start of the last decade
You have to translate "depuis le début des années 2000". Since "the noughties" are deemed unacceptable for the register of your source text, this could be the alternative.
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: problem here is that it will be "wrong" when read 20 years from now
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A minor problem: the document will bear a date of issue when found in archives. And the "présentations historiques d'un pays pour une ONG" are seldom read 20 years afterwards anyway.
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Lara Barnett
: "From" sounds a bit inappropriate given that "since" is not only the literal translation here, but also flows better in the context.
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Tony M
: I agree with 'from', but as A/T has said, this ties it too much to the present, which the s/t does not.
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since early in the new millennium
on the theory of 'the more the merrier', here's my take
Schools in deprived areas stand to lose most in budget shakeup ...
www.guardian.co.uk › Education › Schools
Nov 18, 2011 – Little has changed in the way schools are funded since early in the new millennium. The researchers said there was wide variation between ...
Africa investment 'will rebound' - SouthAfrica.info
www.southafrica.info/pls/procs/iac.page?...
Feb 17, 2009 – "Domestic reforms have fostered Africa's robust growth since early in the new millennium," the research report states. "Widespread economic ...
Schools in deprived areas stand to lose most in budget shakeup ...
www.guardian.co.uk › Education › Schools
Nov 18, 2011 – Little has changed in the way schools are funded since early in the new millennium. The researchers said there was wide variation between ...
Africa investment 'will rebound' - SouthAfrica.info
www.southafrica.info/pls/procs/iac.page?...
Feb 17, 2009 – "Domestic reforms have fostered Africa's robust growth since early in the new millennium," the research report states. "Widespread economic ...
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: I don't think "millennium" is appropriate usage now that it has passed us by
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but it was the start of a new millennium, not merely the start of a new decade or turn of the century (which is used to refer to the early 1900s)
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Tony M
: Although I much prefer the phrasing, I do feel that using 'millenium' when talking about just a part of a century, with no real 'millennial' repercussions, is a bit OTT.
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It's more than just the start of a century or decade. It only happens once every 1000 years. it's no more OTT than twenty-hundreds imo
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Rachel Fell
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the twenty-hundreds
The BBC at least has stopped saying 'two thousand and six' and started saying 'twenty-twelve'
Just as we once said 'the nineteen-hundreds', I have heard some people (inclduing the BBC) using this expression; of course it could refer to the entire 21C, but in practice, I don't think one would ever make that mistake — unless, of course, it was "in the mid-twenty-hundreds" etc.
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'since the early twenty-hundreds' would probably be fine, as indeed would 'since the very start of the 21st century'
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I don't think 'since' would in fact be right here — maybe simply 'from'? Or 'right from' if there is a need to emphasize the earliness...
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From the way it is being used here, I really don't think this is talking any differently from if we'd said 'the eighteen hundreds' or 'nineteen hundreds' — just the early part of the century.
I don't see anything in the source text to say that there is a specific connection with its being a whole new millennium — which is just something everyone got a bit obsessed about when the Year 2000 came round; from today's perspective, it's just yet another century like all the others — unless, of course, one is specifically referring to it in the wider perspective of a whole millennium; which I don't honestly believe is the intention here.
Just as we once said 'the nineteen-hundreds', I have heard some people (inclduing the BBC) using this expression; of course it could refer to the entire 21C, but in practice, I don't think one would ever make that mistake — unless, of course, it was "in the mid-twenty-hundreds" etc.
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'since the early twenty-hundreds' would probably be fine, as indeed would 'since the very start of the 21st century'
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I don't think 'since' would in fact be right here — maybe simply 'from'? Or 'right from' if there is a need to emphasize the earliness...
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From the way it is being used here, I really don't think this is talking any differently from if we'd said 'the eighteen hundreds' or 'nineteen hundreds' — just the early part of the century.
I don't see anything in the source text to say that there is a specific connection with its being a whole new millennium — which is just something everyone got a bit obsessed about when the Year 2000 came round; from today's perspective, it's just yet another century like all the others — unless, of course, one is specifically referring to it in the wider perspective of a whole millennium; which I don't honestly believe is the intention here.
Peer comment(s):
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MoiraB
: Would vastly prefer your second suggestion: 'since the /very/ start of the 21st century' // yes, 'right from the start...' would be a good option
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Thanks, Moira! In fact, re-reading the source text, I'm not so sure now about 'since', and wonder if 'right from ...' mightn't be a better solution?
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Yvonne Gallagher
: personally haven't heard/seen this but is rather awkward imo
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I agree, but it seems to be what is used as standard by Aunty Beeb; also cropped up in our eralier discussions here, where I was against it! Call me Canute...
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B D Finch
: Unfortunately, while " ...een hundreds" rolls off the tongue OK, " ...ee hundreds" doesn't.// I know it's real if the Beeb says so, but I too can be Canute.
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Thanks, B! Luckily, here we are in a written context... but in any case, it is used in oral contexts, as we hear quite often on UK TV, radio, etc.
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AllegroTrans
: The "depuis" means that we don't have to concern ourselves here with the first 10 years imho
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I think you are getting confused at the meaning of 'depuis' here — it doesn't say 'depuis 2011', but 'depuis le début'
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the 2000s
As written. Completely consistent with the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s.
How you *say* it is up to you.:-)
How you *say* it is up to you.:-)
Peer comment(s):
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Wolf Draeger
: Or "since the early 2000s...".
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No need. The 2000s do not include the 2010s et seq.
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the noughties
I believe
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_(decade)
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or the 00's/zeros/2000's
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In the English-speaking world, a name for the decade was never universally accepted in the same manner as for decades such as the '90s, the '80s, etc.[10][11][12]
Orthographically, the decade can be written as the "2000s" or the "'00s". Some people read "2000s" as "two-thousands", and thus simply refer to the decade as the "Two-thousands" or the "Twenty-ohs". Some read it as the "00s" (pronounced "Ohs", "Oh Ohs", "Double Ohs" or "Ooze"), while others referred to it as the "Zeros".[11][13] The single years within the decade are usually referred to as starting with an "Oh", such as "Oh-Seven" to refer to the year 2007. On January 1, 2000, the BBC listed the noughties (derived from "nought"[14] a word used for zero in many English-speaking countries), as a potential moniker for the new decade.[15] This has become a common name for the decade in the UK[16][17][18][19][20] and Australia,[21][22] as well as other Anglospheric countries.
Others have advocated the term "the aughts", a term widely used at the beginning of the twentieth century for its first decade.[23][24] The American Dialect Society holds a lighthearted annual poll for word of the year and related subcategories. For 2009, the winner in the "least likely to succeed" category was "Any name of the decade 2000–2009, such as: Naughties, Aughties, Oughties, etc."
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typo above: should be '00s of course
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/gallery/2009/oct/16/t...
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http://moreintelligentlife.com/content/nick-coleman/defining...
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http://www.academia.edu/430295/Ancillary_Relief_in_Northern_...
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"the 2000s decade"
is used here
http://www.innovatemyschool.com/industry-expert-articles/ite...
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http://www.macmillandictionary.com/buzzword/entries/noughtie...
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The interesting thing about all this is that it's only relatively recently, certainly at the back end of the decade, that we finally decided to plump for the noughties as the recognised English term for this period of time.
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Could I just remind people that the ORIGINAL QUESTION was asking for the equivalent of
"les années 2000 (and this will be for Glossary as well)
"si vous avez : les années 60, vous direz les "sixties", les années 80 : "the eighties" etc"
I gave several possible answers for this. My preferred option and one I believe to be used in many contexts, with nothing humourous or frivolous intended is the NOUGHTIES. Just look at the links or Google for yourselves.
I already gave the macmillan link. here it is in the OED and Cambridge
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/noughties
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/noughties
Anyway, I also offered
the '00s/zeros/2000s as alternatives.
The question was NOT about translating the ST so it's a bit of a wild goose chase imo to translate
"Depuis le début des années 2000" which is not the headline term
As for what the period 1900-1909 was called, I believe it was most commonly called "The Edwardian era" since that spanned pretty much the same period of time.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_(decade)
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or the 00's/zeros/2000's
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In the English-speaking world, a name for the decade was never universally accepted in the same manner as for decades such as the '90s, the '80s, etc.[10][11][12]
Orthographically, the decade can be written as the "2000s" or the "'00s". Some people read "2000s" as "two-thousands", and thus simply refer to the decade as the "Two-thousands" or the "Twenty-ohs". Some read it as the "00s" (pronounced "Ohs", "Oh Ohs", "Double Ohs" or "Ooze"), while others referred to it as the "Zeros".[11][13] The single years within the decade are usually referred to as starting with an "Oh", such as "Oh-Seven" to refer to the year 2007. On January 1, 2000, the BBC listed the noughties (derived from "nought"[14] a word used for zero in many English-speaking countries), as a potential moniker for the new decade.[15] This has become a common name for the decade in the UK[16][17][18][19][20] and Australia,[21][22] as well as other Anglospheric countries.
Others have advocated the term "the aughts", a term widely used at the beginning of the twentieth century for its first decade.[23][24] The American Dialect Society holds a lighthearted annual poll for word of the year and related subcategories. For 2009, the winner in the "least likely to succeed" category was "Any name of the decade 2000–2009, such as: Naughties, Aughties, Oughties, etc."
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typo above: should be '00s of course
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/gallery/2009/oct/16/t...
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http://moreintelligentlife.com/content/nick-coleman/defining...
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http://www.academia.edu/430295/Ancillary_Relief_in_Northern_...
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"the 2000s decade"
is used here
http://www.innovatemyschool.com/industry-expert-articles/ite...
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http://www.macmillandictionary.com/buzzword/entries/noughtie...
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The interesting thing about all this is that it's only relatively recently, certainly at the back end of the decade, that we finally decided to plump for the noughties as the recognised English term for this period of time.
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Could I just remind people that the ORIGINAL QUESTION was asking for the equivalent of
"les années 2000 (and this will be for Glossary as well)
"si vous avez : les années 60, vous direz les "sixties", les années 80 : "the eighties" etc"
I gave several possible answers for this. My preferred option and one I believe to be used in many contexts, with nothing humourous or frivolous intended is the NOUGHTIES. Just look at the links or Google for yourselves.
I already gave the macmillan link. here it is in the OED and Cambridge
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/noughties
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/noughties
Anyway, I also offered
the '00s/zeros/2000s as alternatives.
The question was NOT about translating the ST so it's a bit of a wild goose chase imo to translate
"Depuis le début des années 2000" which is not the headline term
As for what the period 1900-1909 was called, I believe it was most commonly called "The Edwardian era" since that spanned pretty much the same period of time.
Peer comment(s):
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Matt Stewart
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Thanks Matt!
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Tony M
: Much to my surprise I have seen this used! (and it's come up before on KudoZ, I believe) /Def. not 'wrong', but I'm not convinced this would actually fit in Asker's s/t here; IMHO, the question was wrongly expressed.
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thanks Tony! Yes, I think this is the most common as it trips off the tongue more easily, though I've seen '00s in writing (zeros spoken) as well. But 60s and 70s are ubiquitous so don't accept that "noughties" or my other suggestions are wrong
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Daniel Gray
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thanks Daniel!
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Sheila Wilson
: It's a nice word, and I can even see myself using it, but in the context of a "présentation historique d'un pays pour une ONG"? Absolutely not // But the 60s and 70s aren't being referred to in this text, AFAIK
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well, I've seen it used in all sorts of registers and contexts. After all the 60s and 70s are not particularly high register but are ubiquitous. It's not WRONG at all//the Asker's original question was for an equivalent to 60s/70s
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Laura Bennett
: I'm afraid I agree with Sheila, it's a great term in journalistic/media speak but not appropriate in this context.
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well, I've seen it used in all sorts of registers and contexts. After all the 60s and 70s are not particularly high register but are ubiquitous. It's not WRONG at all
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Carol Gullidge
: I'm not mad about it, but this is what this particular decade is called, in all sorts of contexts
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thanks Carol, absolutely agree with your comment.
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MoiraB
: I'm with Sheila and Laura - doesn't work for me in a formal context // I didn't say it was wrong - just inappropriate. Doesn't have the same acceptance rating (yet?) as sixties, seventies, perhaps because it sounds slightly frivolous (cf naughty).
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well, I've seen it used in all sorts of registers and contexts. After all the 60s and 70s are not particularly high register but are ubiquitous. It's not WRONG at all//well disagree for me= wrong. There are many examples of this being used. A few above.
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Clive Phillips
: Seems to be growing in acceptability, eg reporter on BBC R4 Today. But not sure it's appropriate for this register. Not wrong but 'le mot juste'? Understandable for non-Brits and non-Irish?
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Thank you, and yes, I thought it was before now...
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philgoddard
: It IS wrong, because it's always used humorously, unlike 60s, 70s etc.
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What? Never heard it used in that context.1900-1909 more commonly known as "Edwardian era" //Nothing "flippant" about this. It was accepted by OED/Cambridge/Macmillan for UK English; it became more acceptable as decade wore on
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writeaway
: pity the first 10 years weren't raunchy. then we could refer to the naughty noughties. Fwiw, I also don't think noughties should be used.
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well as said before, used in lots of contexts
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B D Finch
: I think this is always associated with the 1900s, not the 2000s.// No, I was wrong, lots of refs to it being used for the 2000s too. However, this context does demand something less flippant. It did fit the 1900s"naughty noughties" better (flappers etc.).
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What? Never heard it used in that context.1900-1909 more commonly known as "Edwardian era" //Nothing "flippant" about this. It was accepted by OED/Cambridge/Macmillan for UK English; it became more acceptable as decade wore on
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AllegroTrans
: The ST isn't referring to the first 10 years (read it again - "depuis...") and even if it was, I think the term could only be used in a non-serious vein// her ST and her question are admittedly at variance
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the Asker's ORIGINAL question was for a word akin to sixties/seventies (read it again) not for a translation of ST
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Rachel Fell
: for what to call the decade I agree about "the noughties", though not for all contexts (incl. the Asker's sentence)
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thanks Rachel. Well the "noughties" accepted as the THE term in UK English anyway as its inclusion in dictionaries and its general use in many contexts shows. I accept you have reservations about using it here in this context
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James Perry
: This is the only term I have heard used regularly in popular journalism. As long as your document is not too formal, you should get away with this. It is a commonly used term.
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Thank you James. Certainly the fact this is the term to make it into several dictionaries should prove its value. I think it lost any "frivolity" it may have had years ago and is used in many contexts now. However, I also offered "the 2000s"
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The Oughties
One of the terms that has been used.
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Note added at 1 day1 hr (2013-05-24 12:06:42 GMT)
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Rereading the question, I think that, seeing the seriousness of the subject involved, not one of the cutsey names for the decade is appropriate, something along the lines of "the first years of the XXIst century" would work much better.
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Note added at 1 day1 hr (2013-05-24 12:06:42 GMT)
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Rereading the question, I think that, seeing the seriousness of the subject involved, not one of the cutsey names for the decade is appropriate, something along the lines of "the first years of the XXIst century" would work much better.
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MoiraB
: not by anyone I know ;-) Anything that appears in the Urban Dictionary has to be suspect for a formal text...
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I've never read the Urban Dictionary.
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5 days
Since the early 2000s
I agreed with "Noughties" before - but, strike that! Noughties is too informal for this text.
Reference comments
17 hrs
Reference:
Names for the decade
There was a whole discussion around the English-speaking world when the new millennium was breathing down our necks. The section titled "Names for the decade" summarizes the most frequent solutions proposed. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_(decade)
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Tony M
: That's the same ref. already quoted by Gallagy above.
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Yup.
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Discussion
I did not think such a question would raise such a debate.
It was very interesting
Thanks again
If we say 'depuis 2005', then it is clear that it means 'from 2006 onwards'; but 'depuis le début des années 2000' (as here) really needs to be read as 'from the start of the ...' — there is no specific timeline for it to be 'since', other than '2000'
'depuis le début' in other contexts might very well be translated as '(right) from the start'
However, for me there is a bit of a gap: we always think of 'the twenties' and 'the thirties', but I can't ever recall having heard anyone refer to 'the tens'; I sort of get the impression that 'the nineteen hundreds' lasted until they merged into 'the twenties' ;-)
My own inclination for the latter is that no similar term exists. I cannot recall such a term for the first ten years of the 1900s (admittedly a little before my time).
What do colleagues think?
Le début des années 2000 can be 1st Jan 2000. The writer means the early years...