Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
caséologues
English translation:
the root is caesum (Latin) = cheese
Added to glossary by
Mark Nathan
Oct 28, 2007 10:21
16 yrs ago
French term
France
caséologues
French to English
Marketing
Food & Drink
the role of the cheese maturer in the production of Comté
«Nos clients, analyse Claude Querry, viennent
chercher des informations, il nous faut toujours
plus d’arguments pour défendre nos produits face
à ceux de l’industrie. Nous avons donc besoin d’enrichir
notre vocabulaire, d’être innovant et généreux.
Les Comtés nous racontent leurs histoires et
on ne s’en lasse pas. »
«Vous êtes des caséologues» avait dit un jour
Pierre Dornier (2) à Claude Querry en faisant référence
au métier d’oenologue. Le mot lui plaît et
convient «bien à la notion de plaisir qui est récente
dans le fromage». «Mon métier est d’apprendre la
passion du fromage aux cavistes; s’ils font bien
leur travail, le Comté fait le reste auprès des
consommateurs .»
http://www.d-klik.net/annuaire-cigc/upload/mediatheque/nouve...
Could someone clarify this apparently made up word (from caser?) - I can see that affineurs are "fixer uppers" of cheeses - first maturing them and then marketing them - but that does not seem to be quite what they mean.
chercher des informations, il nous faut toujours
plus d’arguments pour défendre nos produits face
à ceux de l’industrie. Nous avons donc besoin d’enrichir
notre vocabulaire, d’être innovant et généreux.
Les Comtés nous racontent leurs histoires et
on ne s’en lasse pas. »
«Vous êtes des caséologues» avait dit un jour
Pierre Dornier (2) à Claude Querry en faisant référence
au métier d’oenologue. Le mot lui plaît et
convient «bien à la notion de plaisir qui est récente
dans le fromage». «Mon métier est d’apprendre la
passion du fromage aux cavistes; s’ils font bien
leur travail, le Comté fait le reste auprès des
consommateurs .»
http://www.d-klik.net/annuaire-cigc/upload/mediatheque/nouve...
Could someone clarify this apparently made up word (from caser?) - I can see that affineurs are "fixer uppers" of cheeses - first maturing them and then marketing them - but that does not seem to be quite what they mean.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +2 | the root is caesum (Latin) = cheese (not "caser" |
CMJ_Trans (X)
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| 5 +1 | cheese scientists / specialists / artisans |
Hermeneutica
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| 4 +1 | "caséologues" - or affineurs- |
Carol Gullidge
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| 3 +1 | nfg |
sporran
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Proposed translations
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the root is caesum (Latin) = cheese (not "caser"
Caseum is the word that evolved into "cheese" in English, "queso" in Spanish, "Käse" in german.....
Interestingly the French "fromage" and the Italian "formaggio" are believed by philologists to dervie from "caesum formaticum", a type of cheese, the locals at the time have confused the noun with its qualification and having taken their word from th "wrong" part.......
So this is an uppity word going back to Latin meaning cheese experts, cheeese specialists. "cheesologists" ?
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Note added at 21 mins (2007-10-28 10:42:35 GMT)
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sorry about eht typos - my brain works faster than my fingers : German/derive/ the locals having..../the/cheese
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Note added at 26 mins (2007-10-28 10:47:46 GMT)
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CAESUM is the correct spelling of the Latin word
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Note added at 32 mins (2007-10-28 10:53:34 GMT)
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Mark - unluckily for me, I have a speech to finish for tomorrow morning.....
As to Latin and all that, I originally wanted to do a PhD in philology and have always been fascinated by the origins of words
Interestingly the French "fromage" and the Italian "formaggio" are believed by philologists to dervie from "caesum formaticum", a type of cheese, the locals at the time have confused the noun with its qualification and having taken their word from th "wrong" part.......
So this is an uppity word going back to Latin meaning cheese experts, cheeese specialists. "cheesologists" ?
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Note added at 21 mins (2007-10-28 10:42:35 GMT)
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sorry about eht typos - my brain works faster than my fingers : German/derive/ the locals having..../the/cheese
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Note added at 26 mins (2007-10-28 10:47:46 GMT)
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CAESUM is the correct spelling of the Latin word
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Note added at 32 mins (2007-10-28 10:53:34 GMT)
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Mark - unluckily for me, I have a speech to finish for tomorrow morning.....
As to Latin and all that, I originally wanted to do a PhD in philology and have always been fascinated by the origins of words
Note from asker:
| Ah yes, I forgot about Latin!Lucky for me that you are at your computer on a Sunday... |
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Hermeneutica
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Switzerland
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Works in: Dutch to English, German to English, French to English, and 16 more.
cheese scientists / specialists / artisans
As CMJ already said, caesum is cheese [cf. also caséine] and then -logue as in oenologue, cardiologue etc. ...
Up to you what slant you want to give to the denomination!
Up to you what slant you want to give to the denomination!
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
jean-jacques alexandre
: with the sense, but there should be a more scientific term, which I can't find either
21 mins
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Carol Gullidge
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Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, English
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"caséologues" - or affineurs-
a expert in aging cheeses - but I see now that you already knew this!
Like you, I cd find no references to casiologist, casologist, caesology, etc, and would therefore retain the French - in quotes and glossed - as an exoticism. If you're not happy with "affineurs", then you could expand the glossing slightly...
This is the closest I could find:
Philippe Alleosse
Affineur, Cheese Aging Consultant. Recognized as one of the world's most accomplished affineurs (cheese agers), Philippe Alléosse brings his considerable ...
www.artisanalcheese.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP6004 - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
Williams-Sonoma | Affineur's Cheese Collection | Cheese ...
Experienced affineurs, or cheese professionals, at New York’s Artisanal Premium Cheese Center have searched the world to bring you five superb cheeses ...
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Rosengarten Affineur Cheese of the Month Club
Please enroll me in the Rosengarten Affineur Cheese-of-the-Month Club at $89 (plus $9.95 FedEx shipping) per month. If I respond by the first of the month, ...
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Cheese – Care and Storage | An Exploration of Portland Food and Drink
Some cheese aficionados criticize grocers for wrapping their cheese in plastic. I asked Sasha Davies, cheese affineur at Murray’s Cheese Co. in New York, ...
www.portlandfoodanddrink.com/?p=370 - 51k - Cached - Similar pages
DavidRosengarten.com
Each month our new Rosengarten Affineur Cheese-of-the-Month Club will deliver to you, via UPS, a hand-picked portfolio of the world’s greatest affineur-aged ...
www.davidrosengarten.com/content.asp?type=site&id=163 - 30k - Cached - Similar pages
DINING : French cheeses:The affineur's art - International Herald ...
If you are a cheese shop owner and affineur — cheese ager — like Philippe Alleosse, you follow a cheese every step of the way, and learn quickly that yours ...
www.iht.com/articles/2002/11/08/trfoodA_ed1_.php - 37k - Cached - Similar pages
Affinage - refining of a cheese
Having a sense for cheese and knowledge of its ripening stages is not sufficient to be a top affineur. As in each handicraft, skill has to be learned and ...
www.frencheese.co.uk/diduknow/history.php?id=18 - 18k
Like you, I cd find no references to casiologist, casologist, caesology, etc, and would therefore retain the French - in quotes and glossed - as an exoticism. If you're not happy with "affineurs", then you could expand the glossing slightly...
This is the closest I could find:
Philippe Alleosse
Affineur, Cheese Aging Consultant. Recognized as one of the world's most accomplished affineurs (cheese agers), Philippe Alléosse brings his considerable ...
www.artisanalcheese.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP6004 - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
Williams-Sonoma | Affineur's Cheese Collection | Cheese ...
Experienced affineurs, or cheese professionals, at New York’s Artisanal Premium Cheese Center have searched the world to bring you five superb cheeses ...
www.williams-sonoma.com/prod/sku9731753.jsp - 66k - Cached - Similar pages
Rosengarten Affineur Cheese of the Month Club
Please enroll me in the Rosengarten Affineur Cheese-of-the-Month Club at $89 (plus $9.95 FedEx shipping) per month. If I respond by the first of the month, ...
https:/.../gift_neworder/form_full.asp?promocode=W23410&pub=cc&rl=no&term=1&book=yes - 23k - Cached - Similar pages
Cheese – Care and Storage | An Exploration of Portland Food and Drink
Some cheese aficionados criticize grocers for wrapping their cheese in plastic. I asked Sasha Davies, cheese affineur at Murray’s Cheese Co. in New York, ...
www.portlandfoodanddrink.com/?p=370 - 51k - Cached - Similar pages
DavidRosengarten.com
Each month our new Rosengarten Affineur Cheese-of-the-Month Club will deliver to you, via UPS, a hand-picked portfolio of the world’s greatest affineur-aged ...
www.davidrosengarten.com/content.asp?type=site&id=163 - 30k - Cached - Similar pages
DINING : French cheeses:The affineur's art - International Herald ...
If you are a cheese shop owner and affineur — cheese ager — like Philippe Alleosse, you follow a cheese every step of the way, and learn quickly that yours ...
www.iht.com/articles/2002/11/08/trfoodA_ed1_.php - 37k - Cached - Similar pages
Affinage - refining of a cheese
Having a sense for cheese and knowledge of its ripening stages is not sufficient to be a top affineur. As in each handicraft, skill has to be learned and ...
www.frencheese.co.uk/diduknow/history.php?id=18 - 18k
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Melissa McMahon
: keeping the French also a good idea I think
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many thanks, Melissa!
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nfg
Just for the fun of it, I went looking for Greek roots and found turophile (from tyros) in the following cheese lexicon: http://www.wisdairy.com/AllAboutCheese/glossaryofterms.aspx?...
A logical leap would give us turologist or turologue, but, alas, I found no reference to this anywhere:-(
A logical leap would give us turologist or turologue, but, alas, I found no reference to this anywhere:-(
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Melissa McMahon
: isn't that the point here though? That someone has invented a new word for "cheese connoisseurs" that has the same resonance (and relative obscurity) as "oenologist". I would go for something like this in the English.
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thanks Melissa - belatedly:-)
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