Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
verr.
English translation:
key removable in both positions
Added to glossary by
Tony M
Aug 13, 2015 07:36
9 yrs ago
French term
Verr
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Electronics / Elect Eng
Siemens instrument lock
This is an item in a component list of an industrial engineering group that designs and supplies machines, process equipment and production lines.
Serrure Affl, O-I Ronis, Verr, 1No+1Nf, Metal
You can see the actual item here:
http://www.mercateo.fr/p/927F-TMPF13387/Siemens_3SB3601_4AD1...
I assume that "Affl" translates as "flush mounting" (affleurant), and "Verr" is short for "Verrou / Verrouiller / verrouillage", but I can't see what it means stranded between two commas.
Incidentally, the whole of the catalogue is, weirdly, in title case, accounting for "No" and "Nc" instead of "NO", "NC", etc.
Serrure Affl, O-I Ronis, Verr, 1No+1Nf, Metal
You can see the actual item here:
http://www.mercateo.fr/p/927F-TMPF13387/Siemens_3SB3601_4AD1...
I assume that "Affl" translates as "flush mounting" (affleurant), and "Verr" is short for "Verrou / Verrouiller / verrouillage", but I can't see what it means stranded between two commas.
Incidentally, the whole of the catalogue is, weirdly, in title case, accounting for "No" and "Nc" instead of "NO", "NC", etc.
Proposed translations
(English)
4 | key removable in both positions |
Tony M
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3 | latching |
DLyons
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References
any clues here? |
liz askew
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Change log
Aug 18, 2015 07:34: Tony M changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/988385">claude-andrew's</a> old entry - "Verr"" to ""key removable in both positions""
Proposed translations
3 hrs
French term (edited):
Verr = Verrastend (German)
Selected
key removable in both positions
Or with some qualification: "key removal positions: 2" (as found in the ref. kindly supplied by Liz A.)
Normally, a keyswitch is used do that something cannot be turned on (usually) without holding the key; in order for the device to remain turned on, the key has to be left in place. This is like the ignition key on your car (ignoring the momentary 'engine start' position). In order to remove the key, the device has first to be turned off again. This is an obvious safety feature. 'Key removal positions: 1'
In some applications, however, the intention is to prevent the device for being switched EITHER on OR off unless the operator has a key — the example I mentioned above is the operation of a lift cabin. In this sort of situation, the key is required to operate the switch BUT must be able to be removed whether the device is on or off — 'key removal positions: 2'
Normally, a keyswitch is used do that something cannot be turned on (usually) without holding the key; in order for the device to remain turned on, the key has to be left in place. This is like the ignition key on your car (ignoring the momentary 'engine start' position). In order to remove the key, the device has first to be turned off again. This is an obvious safety feature. 'Key removal positions: 1'
In some applications, however, the intention is to prevent the device for being switched EITHER on OR off unless the operator has a key — the example I mentioned above is the operation of a lift cabin. In this sort of situation, the key is required to operate the switch BUT must be able to be removed whether the device is on or off — 'key removal positions: 2'
Note from asker:
Exactly what I've just this minute found. Thanks! |
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Comment: "Thanks (again) Tony"
3 hrs
latching
See discussion.
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Tony M
: Although this is clearly the underlying meaning of the apparently DE source term, I do not believe this is a technically correct way of describing this function in EN. / Sadly, many big mfrs suffer from laughably bad translations on their websites.
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Thanks Tony. If it's good enough for Siemens who am I to disagree.
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agree |
acetran
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Thanks acetran.
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Reference comments
3 hrs
Reference:
any clues here?
Commande et signalisation/Commutateur sélecteur - tête
https://www.cheyns.be/fr-be/.../catalogue?gr=2207...
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SERRURE SB30, AVEC 2 CLES, 3 POSITIONS I-O-II, ACCROCHAGE, ANGLE MAN. 2X50 DEG. ... CLE SB30 VERR 1-0/1 ROND SIEMENS BASSE TENSION ...
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Data sheet 3SU1100-4BF11-1BA0 - Electrocomponents
docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/.../0900766b813cc71e.pd...
9 Mar 2015 - SB30, WITH 2 KEYS, 2 SWITCH. POSITIONS O-I, LATCHING, 10:30H/13:30H, KEY. REMOVAL POS. ... Number of switching positions. 2. Switch ... 2x (1,0 ... 1,5 mm²) ... mm. 30. Shape of the installation opening round. Mounting diameter mm. 22 ... http://www.siemens.com/industrial-controls/catalogs.
https://www.cheyns.be/fr-be/.../catalogue?gr=2207...
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SERRURE SB30, AVEC 2 CLES, 3 POSITIONS I-O-II, ACCROCHAGE, ANGLE MAN. 2X50 DEG. ... CLE SB30 VERR 1-0/1 ROND SIEMENS BASSE TENSION ...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2015-08-13 11:00:00 GMT)
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and
Data sheet 3SU1100-4BF11-1BA0 - Electrocomponents
docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/.../0900766b813cc71e.pd...
9 Mar 2015 - SB30, WITH 2 KEYS, 2 SWITCH. POSITIONS O-I, LATCHING, 10:30H/13:30H, KEY. REMOVAL POS. ... Number of switching positions. 2. Switch ... 2x (1,0 ... 1,5 mm²) ... mm. 30. Shape of the installation opening round. Mounting diameter mm. 22 ... http://www.siemens.com/industrial-controls/catalogs.
Discussion
Do just note, though, that 'latching' would not be the correct technical term for this in EN, regardless of what slavish word-for-word translation might lead one to expect.
I think this ought to help you ask the right question of your customer, just to make sure you have it right!
Not very kind of the Siemens-people or the specifier of the French text to leave this rather seldom abbreviation unmodified in the FR description...
It is I suppose possible this might in some way (though I can't quite see how) be referring to the fact that the key can be removes in either positions — now this IS a parameter that is often quoted for keyswitches and would certainly make sense, even though it is hard to see how the FR text could actually be intended to mean that.
http://www.mercateo.co.uk/p/2811-3SB3000(2d)4ED01/Switch_rot...
It suggests to me that "latching" is what's intended.