Feb 12, 2020 02:59
4 yrs ago
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French term

ll.t.

Non-PRO French to English Art/Literary Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
"Claude Dulong a montré que, sur cinq ans (1642‑1647), Mazarin dépense 87 362 ll.t., une véritable fortune, pour sa bibliothèque." May I know what does "ll.t" mean here? It appears to me like a monetary unit. Thank you so much for the help!
Proposed translations (English)
5 la livre tournois

Discussion

Barbara Carrara Feb 12, 2020:
Helen No worries (SafeText had also spelt this with an 'a'). Just thought I'd provide some additional refs.
Helen Shiner Feb 12, 2020:
@Barbara Thanks for spotting my typo. Happens all too frequently when I respond via my phone.
Barbara Carrara Feb 12, 2020:
Agree and abbreviation I agree with livres tournois (with an 'o') and to confirm this, here is a reference for its abbreviation, albeit with one 'l' only,
http://theleme.enc.sorbonne.fr/dico.php?lettre=L
Should you be interested in a currency converter, here is one in table format,
https://tinyurl.com/wmfgf28
Helen Shiner Feb 12, 2020:
Reference Under the section ‘Les livres’, you can find mention of livres tournais’ with the abbreviation ‘lt’: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Système_monétaire_du_royaume_d... Not quite what you are looking for but nearly.
SafeTex Feb 12, 2020:
@all I came to the same conclusion as Marco (livre tournais = troy pound)
philgoddard Feb 12, 2020:
I do think it's probably livres something.
Marco Solinas Feb 12, 2020:
To Asker It may be an abbreviation for "livre troy". I did a cursory search and failed to confirm it. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to search further. You may want to try if you think it is worth the effort.

Proposed translations

14 hrs

la livre tournois

The answer is clear from the Wiki site which Helen kindly gave us:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Système_monétaire_du_royaume_d...

"Deux livres surtout se sont imposées durant l'Ancien régime: la livre parisis (lp) et la livre tournois (lt). Ce n'est qu'en 1667 que la livre parisis sera définitivement supprimée..."

Note that Father Mazarin bought most of his library (which later became the Bibliotheque national) before 1667.

Being a Medievalist, i was well aware of the multiplicity of "regional" livres mentioned in the documents --and that the l.p and the l.t. were the major ones in Northern France (though i am most familiar with the livre carnotensis --the livre of Chartres).

what i did not realize was that the monetary system wasn't "stabilized" until the middle of the 17th c. --causing (b.t.w.) massive unemployment amongst the money changers.

but, you can't make an egg without breaking omelettes.
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