Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
franking vs stamping (USA-UK)
English answer:
franking if the company has a franking machine
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Jenni Lukac (X)
May 24, 2012 07:08
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English term
franking vs stamping (USA-UK)
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A proofreader has commented that a term I used - "franking" - is only UK English and not used in the States. They recommend "stamping". Since this person was also unfamiliar with other common business terms (like "back office"), and I thought "franking" was commonly used throught the English-speaking world, I am seeking confirmation.
All input will be appreciated.
"...checking deliveries and periodic billing for clients, as well as the manual tasks of printing, enveloping, franking and sending".
All input will be appreciated.
"...checking deliveries and periodic billing for clients, as well as the manual tasks of printing, enveloping, franking and sending".
Responses
5 +1 | franking if the company has a franking machine | Jenni Lukac (X) |
4 +3 | metering (US) | Charles Davis |
4 +1 | neither | lindaellen (X) |
5 | placing stamps on envelopes | Charlesp |
3 | stamping | CBHarris |
References
A little bit of research... | Tony M |
More research | B D Finch |
Change log
May 30, 2012 10:41: Jenni Lukac (X) Created KOG entry
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franking if the company has a franking machine
The foundation I worked for in Washington DC had a franking machine. This is not a "right" exclusive to members of Congress. At least in the US, "franking" refers to mechanically attaching postage "labels" instead of stamps for bulk mailing. The machine was a bit complicated. It was necessary to weigh the piece of mail and introduce countries and postal codes to determine the rate. The foundation had a deposit account and once a year the machine had to be taken to the post office to have the calibrations and seals checked.
Note from asker:
So at least the term exists and is used stateside, thanks for that info ;) |
As the context refers to manual tasks, maybe "stamping" will be the best option... |
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Charlesp
: interesting -- I've never heard of that.
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Interesting and a fact.
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Mark Nathan
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Thanks, Mark. Have a good weekend.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks everyone for all the helpful comments :) "
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neither
If you browse the US Postal Services website, you will see that "frank" applies to mail that is sent free-of charge, i.e. by members of Congress who have "franking priviledges".
http://pe.usps.gov/search/jsp/search/vv_docread.jsp?k2dockey...
From the site:
6.0 Official Mail (Franked)
6.1 Basic Information
6.1.1 Members of Congress
Official mail of Members of Congress is sent without prepayment of postage and bears instead either a written or printed facsimile signature or a specified marking. Exhibit 6.1.1 shows what is accepted under frank and who is authorized its use.
Exhibit 6.1.1 Franked Mail of Members of Congress
"Stamping" also sounds wrong me, I would use something like "determine postage costs" - but you can certainly find a better term from the above website.
http://pe.usps.gov/search/jsp/search/vv_docread.jsp?k2dockey...
From the site:
6.0 Official Mail (Franked)
6.1 Basic Information
6.1.1 Members of Congress
Official mail of Members of Congress is sent without prepayment of postage and bears instead either a written or printed facsimile signature or a specified marking. Exhibit 6.1.1 shows what is accepted under frank and who is authorized its use.
Exhibit 6.1.1 Franked Mail of Members of Congress
"Stamping" also sounds wrong me, I would use something like "determine postage costs" - but you can certainly find a better term from the above website.
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Tony M
: 'stamping' doesn't mean 'determine postage costs', it refers to the physical act of sticking stamps on mail — or of course, passing the mail through a franking / stamping machine.
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Thanks Tony, you are right on that. Perhaps "applying postage" that's why I suggested the website to find out how the US post office says it. Timestamping makes sense to me, see Neilmac's discussion.
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Charlesp
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Thanks, Charlesp.
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stamping
¨Franking¨ is almost exclusively used in reference to privileges held by US members of congress. I´d say stamping is much more common.
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Postage would be even more common, but only in reference to the amount charged. The actual physical act of applying a stamp (as I read the example) would commonly be ¨stamping¨.
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Postage would be even more common, but only in reference to the amount charged. The actual physical act of applying a stamp (as I read the example) would commonly be ¨stamping¨.
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placing stamps on envelopes
I would say "placing stamps on envelopes," (unless it is a Congressional office or other governmental office that does not use stamps).
Unless of course from the context of the text (not provided), which might imply the use of a postage meter (rather than stick on stamps). In which case, "affixing postage with the postage meter" would be more accurate.
Unless of course from the context of the text (not provided), which might imply the use of a postage meter (rather than stick on stamps). In which case, "affixing postage with the postage meter" would be more accurate.
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metering (US)
This is not what I was expecting, but it seems to be what it's called.
First, I assume we are talking here about the system business and organisations use to frank mail using a franking machine (as we call it in the UK), printing a mark on the envelope to show the postage paid, as opposed to sticking a stamp on the envelope.
As far as I can see, the situation is that this can be called "franking" in the US, but in practice it isn't. Merriam Webster defines the verb "frank" as:
"1 a : to mark (a piece of mail) with an official signature or sign indicating the right of the sender to free mailing
b : to mail free
c : to affix to (mail) a stamp or a marking indicating the payment of postage"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/frank
American Heritage defines it the same way. Meaning 1 (a) presumably applies to members of Congress, as mentioned here, and seems to be common usage. Meaning 1 (c) is the one we want, and there it is. But it doesn't seem to be current. Note also that "franking", according to this, covers not only doing it with franking machine but also sticking a stamp on. This is confirmed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franking
In the UK, however, we don't use the term "franking" to apply to postage stamps, but only the business machine thing, or alternatively cancelling the postage stamp with a postmark. Collins (which is UK-orientated) defines it like this:
"mainly British to put a mark on (a letter, parcel, etc), either cancelling the postage stamp or in place of a stamp, ensuring free carriage"
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/frank
What about "stamping"? The American dictionaries referred to define it exclusively (in the context of mail) as sticking a stamp on, with no reference to what we call franking in the UK. Here's Merriam Webster again:
"3 b : to attach a stamp to"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stamp
So I don't think "stamping" is the US equivalent of "franking". It's true that Arthur Pitney called his franking machine (as we would call it in the UK) a "stamping machine", as Tony has pointed out, but that was in 1902, and nowadays the term is not in general use.
It's called metering. The US Postal Service says that "A clear space must be available on all mail for the address, postage (permit imprint, postage stamp, or meter stamp), postmarks, and postal endorsements."
http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/102.htm
Here's an explanation:
"Difference Between Metered & Stamped Mail
Metered mail is widely used by businesses and non-profits who have bulk mailings. The cancelation and postage information is printed directly onto the piece of mail or a sticker by a postage meter.
Postage meters are available for purchase by five authorized manufacturers in the US: Pitney Bowes, Data-Pac Mailing Systems, FP Mailing Solutions, Hasler Inc. and Neopost. In addition to purchasing the meter and accessories, a business or non-profit must apply for a metered mail permit."
http://www.ehow.com/about_5478782_difference-between-metered...
If you look, you'll find plenty of references to postage meters, metering mail, metered mail and so on. But "stamped", as in the source just cited, means it has an adhesive postage stamp attached, and American references to "frank"/"franking", in this sense, are pretty few and far between.
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It's either "franking" or "metering", that's for sure, and Jenni's experience carries weight. But others here seem to find "franking" unfamiliar in this sense, and both the USPS and many other places refer to "metering". Google results for "franking" are overwhelming UK. So if it's specifically US usage you want, "metering" looks like the best bet to me. Ideally we need to hear from more Americans.
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When I said "printing a mark on the envelope" near the beginning, what usually happens is the the franking machine or postage meter prints a label which you stick on the envelope where the stamp would go, but the terminology's the same.
First, I assume we are talking here about the system business and organisations use to frank mail using a franking machine (as we call it in the UK), printing a mark on the envelope to show the postage paid, as opposed to sticking a stamp on the envelope.
As far as I can see, the situation is that this can be called "franking" in the US, but in practice it isn't. Merriam Webster defines the verb "frank" as:
"1 a : to mark (a piece of mail) with an official signature or sign indicating the right of the sender to free mailing
b : to mail free
c : to affix to (mail) a stamp or a marking indicating the payment of postage"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/frank
American Heritage defines it the same way. Meaning 1 (a) presumably applies to members of Congress, as mentioned here, and seems to be common usage. Meaning 1 (c) is the one we want, and there it is. But it doesn't seem to be current. Note also that "franking", according to this, covers not only doing it with franking machine but also sticking a stamp on. This is confirmed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franking
In the UK, however, we don't use the term "franking" to apply to postage stamps, but only the business machine thing, or alternatively cancelling the postage stamp with a postmark. Collins (which is UK-orientated) defines it like this:
"mainly British to put a mark on (a letter, parcel, etc), either cancelling the postage stamp or in place of a stamp, ensuring free carriage"
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/frank
What about "stamping"? The American dictionaries referred to define it exclusively (in the context of mail) as sticking a stamp on, with no reference to what we call franking in the UK. Here's Merriam Webster again:
"3 b : to attach a stamp to"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stamp
So I don't think "stamping" is the US equivalent of "franking". It's true that Arthur Pitney called his franking machine (as we would call it in the UK) a "stamping machine", as Tony has pointed out, but that was in 1902, and nowadays the term is not in general use.
It's called metering. The US Postal Service says that "A clear space must be available on all mail for the address, postage (permit imprint, postage stamp, or meter stamp), postmarks, and postal endorsements."
http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/102.htm
Here's an explanation:
"Difference Between Metered & Stamped Mail
Metered mail is widely used by businesses and non-profits who have bulk mailings. The cancelation and postage information is printed directly onto the piece of mail or a sticker by a postage meter.
Postage meters are available for purchase by five authorized manufacturers in the US: Pitney Bowes, Data-Pac Mailing Systems, FP Mailing Solutions, Hasler Inc. and Neopost. In addition to purchasing the meter and accessories, a business or non-profit must apply for a metered mail permit."
http://www.ehow.com/about_5478782_difference-between-metered...
If you look, you'll find plenty of references to postage meters, metering mail, metered mail and so on. But "stamped", as in the source just cited, means it has an adhesive postage stamp attached, and American references to "frank"/"franking", in this sense, are pretty few and far between.
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It's either "franking" or "metering", that's for sure, and Jenni's experience carries weight. But others here seem to find "franking" unfamiliar in this sense, and both the USPS and many other places refer to "metering". Google results for "franking" are overwhelming UK. So if it's specifically US usage you want, "metering" looks like the best bet to me. Ideally we need to hear from more Americans.
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When I said "printing a mark on the envelope" near the beginning, what usually happens is the the franking machine or postage meter prints a label which you stick on the envelope where the stamp would go, but the terminology's the same.
Note from asker:
Your answer is very thoroughly researched, and I really appreciate the effort you've put in,but I really just wanted a 2nd opinion on whether "franking" was used in USA as well as UK (whatever the vagaries of its meaning/purpose), so in the end I used "stamping" and ... didn't get stamped on by the client. |
Peer comment(s):
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Charlesp
: But is it still a meter, if the machine is not a PB meter, but a print out on one's home desktop printer from a PC?
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I've no idea! Can you frank mail from a PC? I didn't know. / Just had a look at the Neopost site Jenni referred to. Their "postage meters" look as though they can be hooked up to a PC.
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Trudy Peters
: Definitely metering for the US
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Many thanks, Trudy!
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Phong Le
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Thanks, Phong Le :)
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Reference comments
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Reference:
A little bit of research...
Well, when I did a Google search on "franking machine", it's true that the only results I immediately found seemed to be from the UK.
However, I did find this page from an overtly US lexicon site, which seems to suggest that the word is at least used; certainly, there are plenty of examples of 'frank' used in a US context.
http://www.lexic.us/definition-of/franking_machine
However, this Wikipedia article about the well-known Pitney-Bowes company (famous among others for their franking machines in the UK), where it mentions the use of the term 'stamping machine' — and one might conisder them to be the world authority on the subject!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitney_Bowes
However, I did find this page from an overtly US lexicon site, which seems to suggest that the word is at least used; certainly, there are plenty of examples of 'frank' used in a US context.
http://www.lexic.us/definition-of/franking_machine
However, this Wikipedia article about the well-known Pitney-Bowes company (famous among others for their franking machines in the UK), where it mentions the use of the term 'stamping machine' — and one might conisder them to be the world authority on the subject!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitney_Bowes
Note from asker:
Thanks for that. The "Franking" entry on wikipedia doesn't say whether the term is UK or US, although it usually does. See my Discussion entry. |
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Reference:
More research
"adjective ...
[4] an obsolete word for free , generous ...
verb (tr)
... [5] mainly British to put a mark on (a letter, parcel, etc), either cancelling the postage stamp or in place of a stamp, ensuring free carriage See also postmark.
[6] to mark (a letter, parcel, etc) with an official mark or signature, indicating the right of free delivery ... "
[4] an obsolete word for free , generous ...
verb (tr)
... [5] mainly British to put a mark on (a letter, parcel, etc), either cancelling the postage stamp or in place of a stamp, ensuring free carriage See also postmark.
[6] to mark (a letter, parcel, etc) with an official mark or signature, indicating the right of free delivery ... "
Discussion
If it is intended to include stamping, you could use "metering and stamping" :)
As in: "miscellaneous mail services (e.g., preparing/packaging mail, addressing, labeling, folding, inserting, bursting, collating, mail match, wrapping, software services, metering & stamping mail)"
http://www.fbbs-gsa.com/TextFrontEnd/TX_GS-25F-0038N.htm
"Tabbing, Sorting, Metering/Stamping, Mail Lists, Labeling, Internet Mailings, Intelligent Mail Barcoding, Ink Jetting, Hand Assembly, Full Color Variable Printing, Folding/Inserting, Database Management"
http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Roadrunner-Quick.Sort...
By the way, these suggest that maybe "inserting" or "folding and inserting" is the answer for "enveloping".
"general office activities such as e-mailing clients and metering mail"
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-little/a/9b6/706
"meeting and greeting visitors, sorting/metering mail, filing, data entry, and perform a variety of other office tasks efficiently"
http://www.careerjet.com/data-entry-filing-jobs/tulsa-18636....
"Responsible for sorting, distributing and metering mail and parcel packages"
http://worksteady.jobamatic.com/a/jobs/find-jobs/q-Mailroom ...
And many more, mainly in ads for positions as mailroom clerk (logically enough). Seems pretty standard.
franking machine noun
(especially British English) (North American English usually postage meter)
a machine that prints an official mark on a letter to show that the cost of posting it has been paid, or does not need to be paid
http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/frank...
I'm not sure that the term "metering" would really be used in a list of tasks like this. I wonder if you could perhaps cheat a little and use "applying postage" - this would cover all the options (printing via a franking machine/postage meter and sticking on a paper stamp - and some businesses still use a combination of both methods) and would hopefully be understood by both UK and US audiences.
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