Oct 27, 2022 06:32
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English term

cross-Gothic

English Other Architecture
The Gothic Church of St. Bartholomew in the village of Mladočov has a cross-Gothic ribbed
vault in the presbytery; the nave has a wooden beamed ceiling.
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Oct 27, 2022 07:00: philgoddard changed "Field" from "Tech/Engineering" to "Other"

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Discussion

Siting Tang (asker) Nov 1, 2022:
The original article I am so sorry I didn't post the original article. It is here for your reference.

https://sciendo.com/article/10.2478/cee-2021-0069
Tony M Oct 29, 2022:
@ Chris I beg to differ! Although it might indeed be inbcorrect to describe this as a 'Gothic' church, it is obvious that the crossed ribs are not mere semi-circles, but form a 'pointed' arch of the type generically referred to as 'Gothic' in its shape.
The alcove above the high altar does also appear to be pointed rather than semi-circular at the top.
Chris Foster Oct 29, 2022:
Querying " Gothic" The church in the picture from Daryo is obviously not Gothic , so at the risk of being overly punctilious I would just call it a "ribbed valult"...

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Gothic cross-ribbed

The words are in the wrong order.

A rib vault or ribbed vault is an architectural feature for covering a wide space, such as a church nave, composed of a framework of crossed or diagonal arched ribs.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rib_vault
Note from asker:
Thank you all for your suggestions. I have really learned a lot!
Peer comment(s):

agree JaneD
23 mins
agree Tony M : Though not necessarily an error of word order: we may think of it as a vault consisting of crossed Gothic ribs. Sounds like US punctuation: I'd have put 'cross Gothic-ribbed vault'
1 hr
Thanks. But the syntax and punctuation are confusing, which is probably why the asker has posted the question.
agree Yvonne Gallagher : As said above, not necessarily wrong word order
1 hr
agree Zheng Ma
2 hrs
agree Clauwolf
4 hrs
neutral Christopher Crockett : Sorry Phil, but in 50+ years as a medieval art hysterian, i have to say that i've never --ever-- seen the term "cross ribbed" used. Just saying "rib vault" is enough at least for those fimailiar with the "Gothic" style.
18 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Got it. Thank you very much!"
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42 mins

a Gothic vault which has the shape of a cross if looked right from above or below

http://www.lanera.com/casteldelmonte/cvtech_172/page-172-03....

cross-Gothic ribbed vault: 十字哥德式罗纹拱顶



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Note added at 9 hrs (2022-10-27 16:20:40 GMT)
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"cross-" might also mean "not-pure" or "of mixed variety".
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/cross-

cross-Gothic ribbed vault: 混杂了哥特式的罗纹拱顶;非纯哥特式的罗纹拱顶
Note from asker:
Thank you for providing another perspective!
Peer comment(s):

disagree Tony M : What your reference is about is something quite different... in effect, the intersection of two vaults; this is about the fact that the vault is made of Gothic (= pointed) arches that criss-cross.
1 hr
disagree Yvonne Gallagher : No, it doesn't mean this
1 hr
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Reference comments

2 hrs
Reference:

Illustration

This is the simplest, most basic image of a cross-ribbed vault — not how it is quite different from a crossed vault.

https://t3.ftcdn.net/jpg/04/59/28/14/360_F_459281481_uCF9BvO...
Note from asker:
It is very clear. Thank you for your illustration!
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Yvonne Gallagher : Yes, and easily found if not already known
7 mins
Thanks, Yvonne!
agree Zheng Ma
26 mins
Thanks, Zheng Ma!
agree Daryo : The rest of the ceiling might look as a crossed vault (not always) but the key point is in the ribs.
5 hrs
Thanks, Daryo!
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8 hrs
Reference:

The Church of St. Bartholomew in the village of Mladočov

The church:



https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mladocov_sv_Bart_od_...



The presbytery and the ribbed vault:



Interior of the Church of Saint Bartholomew (Mladočov)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Interior_of_the_...
Note from asker:
Thank you very much! It really helps.
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Tony M
5 hrs
Thanks!
agree Zheng Ma : Very simple and clear illustration!
11 hrs
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