Jul 23, 2001 22:35
23 yrs ago
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English term
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surname
Non-PRO
English to Malay
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what is surname ?
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rkaru
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A-MMI (X)
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AK Bolhassan
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nama keluarga
.. as A-MMI explained but I think it is not applicable as far as Malay names are concerned. In English names the surname stays throughout generations, e.g. John Ryan (grandfather), Patrick Ryan (father) and Phillip Ryan.
But to a Malay name, Ali bin Abu, Abu is the father's name, not the family name. When Ali have a son he will name him, say, Ahmad bin Ali. Abu will only appear in the family tree.
Hence, I've always maintained that surnames are not applicable to Malay names.
But to a Malay name, Ali bin Abu, Abu is the father's name, not the family name. When Ali have a son he will name him, say, Ahmad bin Ali. Abu will only appear in the family tree.
Hence, I've always maintained that surnames are not applicable to Malay names.
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nama keluarga
straightforward translation..
contoh: ali b. abu (abu ialah surname bagi ali)
contoh: ali b. abu (abu ialah surname bagi ali)
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Ramona Ali
: that's what I'd say too
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| agree |
rkaru
: ... but (see my answer below)
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nama keluarga
...defines as a name shared by all the members of a family (Oxford).
...By that definition, can we consider Malay family names such as "Nik", "Wan" etc., as surnames too?
...By that definition, can we consider Malay family names such as "Nik", "Wan" etc., as surnames too?
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