Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
VP Procurement
French translation:
Directeur général adjoint chargé des approvisionnements (ou achats)
Added to glossary by
Paul VALET (X)
Mar 17, 2007 13:21
17 yrs ago
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English term
France
VP Procurement
English to French
Law/Patents
Law: Contract(s)
XXX acting in the capacity of VP Procurement Equipment & Systems and XXX acting in the capacity of Procurement Manager Equipment & Systems
merci et bon week end
merci et bon week end
Proposed translations
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| 4 +1 | Directeur général adjoint chargé des approvisionnements (ou achats) |
Paul VALET (X)
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| 3 +2 | Président-adjoint, approvisionnement |
Tony M
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| 4 | directeur du service des achats... |
Nicolas Coyer (X)
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| 3 | intervenant à titre de |
Albert Golub
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Change log
Feb 13, 2011 21:17: Paul VALET (X) Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Directeur général adjoint chargé des approvisionnements (ou achats)
Il y a souvent des directeurs généraux adjoints dans les entreprises, mais pratiquement jamais de président adjoint.
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Il est d'ailleurs rare d'avoir le titre de DGA pour s'occuper de la seule fonction "approvisionnements" (hormis dans les entreprises où cette fonction est capitale, comme dans une centrale d'achats par exemple).
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Il est d'ailleurs rare d'avoir le titre de DGA pour s'occuper de la seule fonction "approvisionnements" (hormis dans les entreprises où cette fonction est capitale, comme dans une centrale d'achats par exemple).
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Comment: "merci Paul et aux autres également"
25 mins
intervenant à titre de
vice-président chargé de l'approvisionnement en équipements et systèmes
56 mins
directeur du service des achats...
et responsable pour manager...
Je sais qu'on trouve parfois un "director" sous le VP mais ça n'a pas l'air d'être le cas ici.
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Pas forcément Tony :
http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/fr/psa_espace/tmp_gouvern...
http://www.gs1.fr/gs1_fr/qui_sommes_nous/l_organisation_de_g...
http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/fr/psa_espace/gouvernemen...
Sens de vice-président dans l'entreprise en France :
http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/fr/psa_espace/tmp_gouvern...
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à la limite, on peut parler de "chef" pour celui qui se trouve sous les ordres du directeur
Je sais qu'on trouve parfois un "director" sous le VP mais ça n'a pas l'air d'être le cas ici.
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Pas forcément Tony :
http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/fr/psa_espace/tmp_gouvern...
http://www.gs1.fr/gs1_fr/qui_sommes_nous/l_organisation_de_g...
http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/fr/psa_espace/gouvernemen...
Sens de vice-président dans l'entreprise en France :
http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/fr/psa_espace/tmp_gouvern...
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à la limite, on peut parler de "chef" pour celui qui se trouve sous les ordres du directeur
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English term (edited):
VP Procurement (= Vice-President)
Président-adjoint, approvisionnement
Or why not even Vice-président?
You'd need to know a little more about the company structure, of course, to be sure what the other adjacent job titles are; often, the VP is little more than a Director, but it varies from company to company
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To answer Nicolas' point:
Clearly, I am assuming that this is NOT a FR company, otherwise, as he quite rightly says, of course they wouldn't have this title!
However, it's the old dilemma: how to convey a notion of equivalence when business practices between countries (and indeed, between businesses!) just are not equivalent?
Now when someone is called 'VP', it very often (though not invariably!) means they are on the Board of Directors; as such, they have a certain status, and I think it is important to convey this in any translation employed.
Now any French reader may well sit up straight and ask what's going on if they came across my suggestion; but at least it would make them stop and think, and consider what this person's rôle / status might be; and if it was important, they would probably go to the trouble of finding out.
The worst thing would be to employ an expression that could appear to diminish this person's status; you know how proud people are of the fact that they are now a 'VP', it is always much better to err on the high side!
As a footnote, one of the leading-edge companies I work for in Paris (100% French!) does indeed have a number of VPs in charge of its various divisions, and all of them answering directly to the PDG.
So I don't think anything is quite clear-cut or set in stone enough to be able to be dogmatic about.
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No, that's the whole point: a VP would likely be well above a mere 'responsable de service'
You'd need to know a little more about the company structure, of course, to be sure what the other adjacent job titles are; often, the VP is little more than a Director, but it varies from company to company
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-03-17 15:30:09 GMT)
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To answer Nicolas' point:
Clearly, I am assuming that this is NOT a FR company, otherwise, as he quite rightly says, of course they wouldn't have this title!
However, it's the old dilemma: how to convey a notion of equivalence when business practices between countries (and indeed, between businesses!) just are not equivalent?
Now when someone is called 'VP', it very often (though not invariably!) means they are on the Board of Directors; as such, they have a certain status, and I think it is important to convey this in any translation employed.
Now any French reader may well sit up straight and ask what's going on if they came across my suggestion; but at least it would make them stop and think, and consider what this person's rôle / status might be; and if it was important, they would probably go to the trouble of finding out.
The worst thing would be to employ an expression that could appear to diminish this person's status; you know how proud people are of the fact that they are now a 'VP', it is always much better to err on the high side!
As a footnote, one of the leading-edge companies I work for in Paris (100% French!) does indeed have a number of VPs in charge of its various divisions, and all of them answering directly to the PDG.
So I don't think anything is quite clear-cut or set in stone enough to be able to be dogmatic about.
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No, that's the whole point: a VP would likely be well above a mere 'responsable de service'
Peer comment(s):
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Jock
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Thanks, Jock!
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Assimina Vavoula
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Efharisto, Assimina!
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Palma CHATONNET MARTON MS, MA Translation
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Merci, Palma !
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Nicolas Coyer (X)
: une grosse entreprise française n'a qu'un vice-président ou président adjoint (tout en haut de l'échelle) sauf traduction malheureuse dans une filiale française d'une sté US ou UK, style Microsoft...pour une idée générale, plutôt "responsable du service"
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Merci, Nicolas ! Mais bien évidemment, il ne s'agit point d'une grosse entreprise française, on ne peut donc que tenter de donner le sens général, étant donné le manque d'une équivalence exacte
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Paul VALET (X)
: On ne dit jamais Président Adjoint
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Merci, Paul ! Vous avez probablement raison, mais je ne crois pas que l'on doit être trop dogmatique quand même ; il y a que la semaine dernière que l'on m'a présenté qqn avec justement ce titre !
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