Glossary entry

Dutch term or phrase:

ontrolling (van de aorta)

English translation:

aortic unfolding

Added to glossary by Barend van Zadelhoff
Dec 19, 2014 09:16
9 yrs ago
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Dutch term

ontrolling

Dutch to English Medical Medical (general) Radiology
Good morning everybody!

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Aortaknopatheroom en ontrolling

I appreciate your help.

Thanks!
Proposed translations (English)
3 aortic unfolding
Change log

Dec 21, 2014 22:43: Barend van Zadelhoff Created KOG entry

Discussion

katerina turevich (asker) Dec 19, 2014:
@ Terry I don't know about you, Terry. I started doing these kind of texts a long time ago, and not without some medical background and knowledge. I worked for years for Thuiszorg compiling their journal and a glossary of medical terms. I learned a lot then. But things like this term, barely used in Dutch as well, will make anyone stumble. I will call my doctor about it on Monday.

But do you actually mean to say that a translator's level of professionalism is validated by the amount of questions that translator has about the text?
Terry Costin Dec 19, 2014:
Well, to be straight then Katerina, I do no take medical on, certainly not complicated medical with lots of terms that are very hard to find, because it is way too serious, you are not at home in the field and I wonder about the safety involved, I was not joking.When anyone needs to ask as many questions as you have, I tend to think someone else ought to be completing the assignment, someone who knows what they are talking about.
Barend van Zadelhoff Dec 19, 2014:
Maybe I will have look at it later, Katerina.

Aortic aneurysm is something completley different.
katerina turevich (asker) Dec 19, 2014:
not that it makes a difference of course dead man or not
i want to get it right, and i need help
Please, no jokes. I appreciate the help
katerina turevich (asker) Dec 19, 2014:
@Terry it's about a dead man
katerina turevich (asker) Dec 19, 2014:
and finally
https://www.google.nl/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=yvaTVPSYJ5GFaL2igNgB&gws...
I translate ‘ontrolling’ as “Aortic Aneurysm” The above links are not much, but convincing. It’s too bad, there is not much on the net about it.
Except a bit later in this document there appears "Aortaontrolling met atheromatose."- also as a separate entry. I make this last one to be " Aortic Atheromatosis “ Please correct me if you think I am wrong.
Thanks for the lead.
katerina turevich (asker) Dec 19, 2014:
@ Barend and everybody I can't give you more context. This is one line and is a separate finding from what surrounds it. The general context includes Hodgkin's disease and it’s a radiology report.
This is what I found on your lead:
https://books.google.nl/books?id=ry8IDMR7lgQC&pg=PA169&lpg=P...
and : Thorax: Ontrolde aorta met ter hoogte van de aortaboog een dubbelcontour. Dit is niet geheel duidelijk. Mogelijk dubbelcontour ten gevolge van ontrolling. Mogelijk toch mediastinale pathologie from : http://www.dz.nl/afdelingen/interne-geneeskunde/wij-helpen-u...

Michael Beijer Dec 19, 2014:
or … a wassen neus sewn to my shoulder with garden twine ;)
Terry Costin Dec 19, 2014:
As long as I don't end up with a heart transplant after trying to get treated for a sore thumb, great!

Proposed translations

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aortic unfolding

aortic unfolding

Katerina, also consider the reference entry.

De centraalveneuze druk kan bij ouderen onterecht verhoogd lijken door stuwing in de halsvenen ten gevolge van ontrolling van de aorta.

http://tinyurl.com/pw4w6y2

Aortic unfolding is an old term that is to describe the radiological abnormality on chest X-ray that show widening of the mediastinum which may mimic the appearance of a thoracic aortic aneurysm.[1]

With aging, the ascending portion of the thoracic aorta increases in length by approximately 12% per decade, whereas the diameter increases by just 3% per decade. This elongation causes the ascending aorta to appear as a vertical shadow on the left heart border.[2] Aortic unfolding, though not serious, should be differentiated from the more severe dissection of the aorta.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aortic_unfolding

Practicing physicians are familiar with the term “aortic unfolding,” which is used in chest X-ray reports to describe an aging change and generally assume that this term represents proximal aortic dilation. “Unfolding” is often associated with aortic calcification, which implies aortic degeneration. The degree of ascending aortic dilation with age is relatively small and out of proportion to the aortic unfolding observed in the chest X-ray.

http://imaging.onlinejacc.org/article.aspx?articleid=1109343

Is unfolding if aorta serious? Fatal or can be treated? Someone close to me has the x-ray showing everythg else ok but unfolding of aorta ...

Aorta: Unfolding of aorta is a common finding in chest x-ray of elderly individuals seen as senescent changes. It is benign and due to aorta losing some of the elasticity as aging process . Unfolding as such is benign unless associated with aneurysm

Source: HealthTap, https://www.healthtap.com/topics/unfolding-of-aorta

Evaluation of the mediastinal shadow is not always easy, especially in older patients, in whom unfolding of the aorta is another cause of widening the mediastinum. Mediastinal bleeding and subsequent widening can occur without TAR. Because of these factors, sensitivity of a widened mediastinum for TAR is high, specificity rather low.

http://repository.ubn.ru.nl/bitstream/handle/2066/113183/mmu...

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Note added at 10 hrs (2014-12-19 20:02:06 GMT)
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Here is another nice description, Katerina.
Basically is a degeneration process - the ravages of time :-)

http://tinyurl.com/ntofvcx

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Note added at 16 hrs (2014-12-20 01:44:04 GMT)
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Katerina:

aortaknopatheroom en ontrolling --> atheromatous aortic knob and aortic unfolding

aortaontrolling met atheromatose --> aortic unfolding with atherosclerosis


aortaknop - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aortic_arch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atherosclerosis
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheromatose


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Note added at 2 days12 hrs (2014-12-21 21:51:47 GMT)
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Firstly, I don't think you need to worry about this since 'ontrolling van de aorta' = aortic unfolding and 'atheromatose'= atherosclerosis.

This is just what they found. And not surprisingly so.

It is not correct to say that aortic unfolding is the earliest stage...
Aortic unfolding starts at a certain point when people get older and goes on till people die. And the longer it exists, this degeneration goes on, the larger the increase in length and diameter of the aorta.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3508703/

It is also not correct to say that aortic unfolding would lead to atherosclerosis, but of course it will often be associated with atherosclerosis since aortic unfolding is found in the elderly.

You can find much material about this.

Aortic Unfolding Determined Using Non-Contrast Cardiac Computed Tomography: Correlations with Age and Coronary Artery Calcium Score

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone...

Any further questions?


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Note added at 2 days13 hrs (2014-12-21 22:40:38 GMT) Post-grading
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Interesting question.

The real problem was not finding out what it means, this could easily be found, but to find the English equivalent.
I needed to finish a job first.
When I finished it I had another look and used the information from the reference entry under reference comments to find the equivalent.
It turned out I needed less than 10 minutes to find the term I needed.
When I saw it I knew immediately this is the one.

What followed was collecting information that hopefully would convince you as well. :-)

The information I gave certainly was sufficient proof.

Thank you for appreciating my work.
Note from asker:
Thanks, Barend! How do you figure aortic unfolding concurrent with atherosclerosis? As I understand it, the aortic unfolding is the earliest stage (a type of natural degradation), and by itself may not necessarily lead to atherosclerosis. That last diagnosis is made when you get opacities in the picture (back to my other question). I get my information partially from http://medind.nic.in/jac/t03/i2/jact03i2p134.pdf or anywhere actually. Please comment.
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Reference comments

24 mins
Reference:

ontrollen

http://tinyurl.com/putpnoa

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Note added at 46 mins (2014-12-19 10:02:42 GMT)
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'protruding' is what I was thinking as well.

However, 'bulging' may also be okay.

The point is, I don't like guessing and I would be very pleased to see irrefutable evidence.
There might as well be a specific term for the phenomenon

At this point, however, I have no time to go to the bottom of this

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Note added at 2 days12 hrs (2014-12-21 22:05:38 GMT)
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Also read this reference once more: unfolding of the thoracic aorta may or may not be associated with/accompanied by artherosclerotic calcification.
Note from asker:
bulging?
Ok. protruding. thanks!
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