Jul 4, 2013 08:02
11 yrs ago
Czech term

stavy/stavovský

Czech to English Other History
Jedná se o 30-letou válku a povstání českých stavů proti Habsburgům

Discussion

Maria Chmelarova Jul 4, 2013:
not to be smart, but 30 Year's war is btw 1618 - 1648 and initially it was fought largely as a religious war btw. Protestanst and Catholics in the Holy Roman Empire; it was a series of wars principally fought in Central E., involving most of the countires of E.
What is a debate btw Hannah/ Stuart, (the) history is about The Bohemian Revolt 1618-1621 (only 3 y.) when Protestants supported the stance taken by Catholics and in 1617, Ferdinand was duly elected byBohemian Estates to become the Crown Prince , and automatically upon the death of Mathias, the next King of Bohemia and so on ...
So I would say, because it is not about The Bohemian Revolt but it is 30 Y's war why do not think about term Estates (of the realm) ... thanks for reading. M.
Hannah Geiger (X) Jul 4, 2013:
I was very serious in that you might know it better and that it would not be unusual, I have never said that you yourself were making such a claim. It was to be a compliment, somehow it did not work, too bad.
Stuart Hoskins Jul 4, 2013:
I don't claim to know the history better, what I mean is that perhaps I am more used to writing in English about it (by reference to the original Czech/Bohemian/Moravian/Silesian documents)
Hannah Geiger (X) Jul 4, 2013:
It would not be unusual at all for a non-native speaker to know the history of the country better than the Czechs, and I mean this sincerely. It is just that, in my opinion, you have introduced an unnecessary issue since Moravia, despite being under the Habsburg rule, had a standing so distinct that anything coming from there could not have been Bohemian or Czech but Moravian, as I indicated earlier, this especially if you wanted to distinguish it from the Czechs. Please correct me if I am wrong, but the acceptance of hereditary rights had taken place well before the 30-year war, so there really is no issue here, IMO
Stuart Hoskins Jul 4, 2013:
Naturally But in texts of this type the words Bohemian, Moravian and Czech are going to be floating about, so I was merely clarifying the translation of "ceske" here. If Jan has any further questions about this period, I'm quite willing to help. While not an expert on the war itself, my dissertation was on Kryštof Harant z Polžic a Bezdružic (God rest his soul), so my Renaissance Czech isn't too bad.
Hannah Geiger (X) Jul 4, 2013:
I did not mean to be petty here; however, historically, at that time, it would be rather unlikely to be referring to the Moravian uprising, for example, as a Bohemian uprising.

Proposed translations

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Bohemian estates

You need the "Bohemian" because the the Moravians accepted the hereditary right of the Habsburgs.
See, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Lands_of_the_Boh...

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Note added at 15 mins (2013-07-04 08:18:13 GMT)
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There is no one clear solution to "stavovský". You'll have to give a couple of example sentences in order to receive an accurate suggestion.
Note from asker:
Díky za pomoc, výborné
Peer comment(s):

agree Sabina Králová
55 mins
Thanks, Sabina
neutral Hannah Geiger (X) : the asker has the word "český" in his text, so there is no need to distinguish it from Moravia, which did not even have an uprising; , i.e. povstání ad2) The Margraviate of Moravia went under the Hapsburgs but IMHO it would be called Moravian uprising
3 hrs
It is important to distinguish the Bohemian (ceske) estates within the context of the Czech (ceske) Lands. I was clarifying use of the word "ceske" with stavy in the asker's text, but my answer to the 2nd question (staovovsky) may well differ.
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4 mins

Estates / of the Estates

takto
Note from asker:
Děkuji
Peer comment(s):

agree Hannah Geiger (X)
3 hrs
Děkuji, Hanko
agree Magdalena Rezacova : souhlasím ze stejného důvodu jako Hannah - Bohemian už v textu stejně bude
3 hrs
Děkuji, Magdaléno
agree alex suhoy
1 day 3 hrs
Thank you, Alex
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Estates of the realm

len pre zujimavost a v sirsom ponati >
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estates_of_the_realm>
v č. j. > Stav ( socialna skupina )
a to nie len vysoka slachta, ktora sa postavila na odpor voci
Habsburkom v 30-r. vojne vo vasom pripade...
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