Sep 20, 2004 02:07
19 yrs ago
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Men might be open to a monogamous relationship

... but instead, spread their seed and look for several mates.

The sentence would be more clear if instead of "a mate" it read "one mate."
Peer comment(s):

agree Saleh Chowdhury, Ph.D.
1 hr
neutral Richard Benham : I wouldn't mind betting that it's about "having it both ways"--having a mate andscrewing around--rather than a choice between the two.
4 hrs
neutral Tony M : Don't agree with your last point; the idea of 'mate' here IS already 'one and only one'
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to the benefits of having a significant other, or being part of a pair, a companion

Merriam-Webster

3 : one of a pair: as a : either member of a couple and especially a married couple b : either member of a breeding pair of animals c : either of two matched objects

Mike :)
Peer comment(s):

agree Deborah Workman
1 hr
Thank you, Deborah - Mike :)
agree Armorel Young : benefits of being "paired" with one particular person
5 hrs
Thank you, Amorel - Mike :)
agree Rajan Chopra
6 hrs
Thank you, langclinic - Mike :)
agree Ana Juliá
3 days 6 hrs
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1 hr

grammatical comment (verb tenses)

I think the verb tenses are not in sink (correct me if I'm wrong)

try: might have been... were

or: might be...are
Peer comment(s):

agree Tegan Raleigh
2 hrs
disagree Richard Benham : That's "sync" (or even "synch"--short for "synchrony" or "synchronization"). "Might" is subjunctive *or past* of "may".
3 hrs
disagree Tony M : echoing Richard's scomment. "Men might (still today) be open to the idea... except that historically they were obliged for evolutionary reasons..."
5 hrs
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4 hrs

to the advantages of having a mate..Men might be open to the advantages of a monogamous relationship

to the advantages of a mate => to the advantages of having a mate

Men might be open to the advantages of having a monogamous relationship
Peer comment(s):

neutral Richard Benham : I tink it's more about having a mate *and* the odd "bit on the side"--hardly monogamy in the popular sense of the term.//If reading books on evolutionary psychology counts as experience, yes!
39 mins
is your 'take' flavored by personal experience??
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4 hrs

might be willing to take on a mate because of the advantages of this.

This is not very elegant, sorry, but I assume you wanted an explanation rather than a rephrasing. I think you should be wary of some other suggestions concerning monogamy. I believe that what is being described here is the so-called male dual strategy. There are evolutionary advantages to having a mate and keeping her faithful: your offspring with her, being cared for by both parents, have better prospects of surviving and reproducing. But you can do this and "spread your seed" (i.e. screw around) at the same time. The additional cost of casual sex is negligible, and so it doesn't matter, from an evolutionary point of view, that any offspring resulting from this won't have the benefit of two parents: they're a bonus. Of course, better stil, is to father children by someone else's mate and have him put in the sacrifices of protecting, feeding and rearing them.

None of this relates to how we men in civilised society behave, though, does it?

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Note added at 5 hrs 8 mins (2004-09-20 07:15:02 GMT)
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Tense of \"might\". This is, according to Collins and my native-speaker intuitions, either subjunctive or past tense (indicative) if \"may\". (Cf \"could\" in relation to \"can\".) For the correct sequence of tenses, it needs to be past tense. So it is not really expressing a hypothetical possibility. It is saying, yes, they had the possibility of doing this, and (by implication) some at least actually did. But they also did the other thing. I get the strong feeling that the men who availed themselves of the advantages of a mate and the men who \"spread their seed\" were not disjoint groups.

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Note added at 3 days 6 hrs 55 mins (2004-09-23 09:02:18 GMT)
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\"Might\" revisited. I think, on reflection, that might is present subjunctive/conditional (I don\'t want to get into a fight with Dusty over terminology). But I don\'t take it a s counterfactual. It means, IMHO, that some men at least do take mate (most of us do, in fact), but that we are driven by evolutionary forces to ALSO \"spread our seed\". See, e.g. David Buss, \"The Evolution of Desire\" (I think htat\'s right), for an explanation of this.

THanks to Dusty for alerting me, albeit indirectly to this grammatical possibility.

I find \"were driven\" a little misleading; I would prefer \"have been driven\", although, admittedly, the simple past has some currency in US Englishin such contexts.
Peer comment(s):

agree Tony M : Thanks, R. for the stimulating discussion. I bow of course to your superior linguistic knowledge. The more I read it, the less sure I feel... it would be interesting to know the wider temporal context... I'd almost have expected 'might HAVE been open...'
1 hr
Thanks!//I take "might" as concessive, but your interpretation is possible...my only qualm being that I think many men *are* open to the advantages of a mate!//See my (second) note on the tense of "might".
agree Ana Juliá
3 days 1 hr
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