Nov 27, 2022 14:23
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English term

provide

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What does the word "provide" describe in the following context extracted from the European Statistical Office "Eurostat":

Sector Accounts are ordered in a set of accounts to provide economic analysis, which provide key aggregates, e.g.: value added, operating surplus, disposable income, saving, net lending/borrowing.

Does it refer to Sector Accounts, a set of accounts, or economic analysis?




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Discussion

Chris Says Bye Nov 30, 2022:
Yeah, the whole text is written badly by a non-native so we can only speculate about what was intended, but I think my speculation is better than yours :-)
Daryo Nov 30, 2022:
Well ... someone's got to decide which numbers should be combined with which other numbers so that it's done in a meaningful way - there's nothing "automatic" in that.

Deciding which "few numbers" should be taken into account, and in which way they should be combined (simple addition is not necessarily the only operation involved) looks very much to me as "analysing data" ... (at least the beginning of it)

You could rephrase it this way:

1 - raw data (Sector Accounts) is feed into / used as input for the process called "analysis"
2 - the output of the process called "analysis" is a set of "key aggregates".

IOW without "analysis" there in no "key aggregates".

Lego bricks are not a house, you have to know / decide how to assemble them.
Chris Says Bye Nov 29, 2022:
Can't be analysis I disagree. It doesn't make sense for "analysis" to provide the aggregates listed. These aggregates are a result of adding up a few numbers, not analysis of the data. The accounts and the aggregates they contain are USED for analysis.
Daryo Nov 28, 2022:
Whichever solution you adopt for the tricky choice between putting the emphasis on the group or on its elements, in this text there is only one interpretation that holds water:

it's the analysis (of raw data i.e. the Sector Accounts) that provides (/results in establishing the values of) the key aggregate indicators, NOT the raw data just on its own.
Yvonne Gallagher Nov 27, 2022:
@ Tony Yes, I know about collective nouns and following verb being determined by emphasis on the group or elements. "A group of people who dances together" is also possible as you know....This set of accounts is already followed by a verb so quite separated from the second, the subject of which I immediately assumed was "analysis" with the "which" also referring to that noun. As you know, typos exist in all sorts of documents, even after several proofreadings. (Just realised several typos here too!) I thought it was very clearcut a typo was involved here on first reading but I take your point that it could be badly written! I can see why Asker was confused!
Lamine Boukabour (asker) Nov 27, 2022:
Thank you all!
Tony M Nov 27, 2022:
@ Yvonne I always think it is dangerous to start off by assuming a s/t error — especially with a text from this sort of source.
In this day and age, I don't think we can ignore the widespread usage of a singular collective noun used with a following plural verb, placing the emphasis on the elements of the collection, as in "a group of people who dance together" — there are so many precedents for this, I don't think we can dismiss it by trying to slavishly follow the normal logic. Indeed, this rule is even enshrined in FR grammar.
To me, the decisive element here is the use of 'which.
Yvonne Gallagher Nov 27, 2022:
@ Tony I normally agree with you re grammar but really can't here. "Set" is singular also and is already followed by a verb in the nfinitive. This set of accounts provideS economic analysis/ analyses which provides/ provide. So a typo IMO
Tony M Nov 27, 2022:
@ Asker et al. To me, the 'which' pushes it back to the preceding noun '(set of) accounts'; if 'that' had been used instead, then it could only, unambiguously, have referred to 'economic analysis'.

Responses

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Economic analysis

And these in turn provide
Key aggregates.[...]..etc.8

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Glad to have helped
Peer comment(s):

agree Mark Robertson : You beat me to it. The verb should be provides.
7 mins
Thanks. Yes indeed, I wonder if they meant to write analyses?
agree Oliver Simões : Either “analysis provides” or “analyses provide”.
15 mins
Exactly. Thanks. No doubt as to what "which" refers to...
neutral philgoddard : It could also be the accounts, so it's not as clearcut as you suggest. The sentence is badly written, though the meaning is the same either way.
2 hrs
neutral Tony M : I rather think it is the 'set of accounts', hence the verb is correct: to me, the 'which' suggests that what follows is an explanation of how they enable this. Poorly written indeed! I believe the plural comes from 'accounts'.
2 hrs
NB "set" is also singular so the verb is incorrect. I think "which" can only refer to preceding noun here i.e "analysis" which should have been analysEs or the verb with "s".
disagree Chris Says Bye : Must be accounts // but the accounts are plural!😂
3 hrs
Why? It's a SET (of accounts) i.e. SINGULAR
agree John Magambo : agree as the other listed seem to be the outcomes of economic analysis provided..
4 hrs
Thanks:-)
agree Daryo : yes, that's exactly what this sentence says: it's "the analysis of ..." that provides various indicators, NOT the "raw numbers" found in various accounts. Without the right interpretation/analysis, raw numbers are meaningless.
20 hrs
Thanks!
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5 hrs

economic analysis

it is economic analysis the other follow as the outcomes after providing the economic analysis...
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13 hrs

Economic Analysis

The said economic analysis provides key aggregates which are listed below it.

Also, it should have been which provides (instead of which provide).

Example sentence:

Sector Accounts are ordered in a set of accounts to provide economic analysis, which provide key aggregates, e.g.: value added, operating surplus, disposable income, saving, net lending/borrowing.

The animals are ordered in sets of their colors to provide clearer visual, which provides ease of choice for the study.

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