Jul 22, 2020 19:37
4 yrs ago
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French term
France
Translator-interpreter (en-fr-pl-it)
Native in: Polish (Variant: Standard-Poland) 
Works in: English to French, English to Polish, French to English, and 6 more.
à parfaire
French to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Assignation devant tribunal
CONDAMNER Monsieur X à payer à Madame Y la somme totale de 100,000 € en réparation de son préjudice corporel résultant de l’accident dont elle a été victime le 05 avril 2018, à parfaire, se décomposant comme suit:
Proposed translations
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| 4 +5 | to be adjusted/subject to adjustment |
AllegroTrans
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| 5 | to be settled |
Mohamed Benammar
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| 4 | to be rounded off / up or down |
Adrian MM.
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| 4 -2 | subject to re-evaluation |
Francois Boye
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References
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AllegroTrans
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Proposed translations
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AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Sensible solutions
Native in: English (Variant: Wessexois)
Works in: French to English, English, English to French
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1362
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to be adjusted/subject to adjustment
All the references I have found seem to use this term after stating the sum awarded as damages. I am faurly sure thst the adjustment mentioned will be the addition of interest at a daily rate from the time of the harm suffered up until the date of award. The Judge quantiffies the award and leaves it to a court official to calculate and add on the interest.
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Litigation and enforcement in France: overview | Practical Law
uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com › ...
1 Feb 2020 - In principle, the unsuccessful party will bear all the legal costs incurred by the court (dépens). ... Statutory interest applies to any sum owed by a person as a result of a court decision. Interest runs from the date of the decision and is calculated on both the amount awarded in the judgment and the legal costs.
Search Results
Web results
Litigation and enforcement in France: overview | Practical Law
uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com › ...
1 Feb 2020 - In principle, the unsuccessful party will bear all the legal costs incurred by the court (dépens). ... Statutory interest applies to any sum owed by a person as a result of a court decision. Interest runs from the date of the decision and is calculated on both the amount awarded in the judgment and the legal costs.
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: Or maybe "subject to interest and other costs".
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yes, I did consider 'plus interest and costs' but maybe asker's text already quantifies (or partly quantiifies) the costs; all depends on which country & court this is from
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Becca George
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thanks
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Eliza Hall
: This seems to be the best translation of the meaning (see links in discussion), and it hits the right register/tone.
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thank you
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Francois Boye
: if an amount is 'imparfait', it must be recalculated. Adjusted is a word that no accountant would say to correct a mis-evaluated amount.
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so effectively you are saying that all damages awards need recalculating because they have been miscalculated
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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thanks
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Yvonne Gallagher
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thanks
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
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37 mins
Francois Boye
United States
United States
Native in French
United States
An economic geek with social skills
Native in: French
Works in: English to French, French to English, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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104
subject to re-evaluation
It is the compensation for prejudice that is subject to re-evaluation
Peer comment(s):
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Eliza Hall
: To my EN-native ears, "X euros, subject to re-evaluation" means that X may be entirely reevaluated/questioned/re-calculated.
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What is wrong with that? Isn't what 'parfaire' means in French (the amount is incorrect because it is based on a wrong evaluation) ?
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AllegroTrans
: 'parfaire' appears in so many judgments that it is inconceivable that they are wrongly calculated
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Mohamed Benammar
Algeria
Algeria
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Algeria
Fr/Eng to Arabic Translator & Subtitler
Native in: Arabic (Variant: Standard-Arabian (MSA))
Works in: French to Arabic, Arabic to French, English to Arabic, and 2 more.
to be settled
to be settled:
Somme à régler ou qui doit être réglée
Somme à régler ou qui doit être réglée
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: any refs to back so much confidence?
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AllegroTrans
: any refs?
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Adrian MM.
Austria
Austria
Native in English
Specializes in field
Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: Scottish, British) 
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 6 more.
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371
to be rounded off / up or down
- Yours Truly, Kirsty MacC ina previous incarnation or 'iteration'.
Note that this translation served me well and with impunity for decades pre- and post-millennium,
Note that this translation served me well and with impunity for decades pre- and post-millennium,
Peer comment(s):
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AllegroTrans
: Rounded to what? Surely such a simple calaculation is within the garsp of a judge? And even criminals get impunity...
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Round off the estimate of damages - up or down - to the nearest Euro or penny. BTW, the adjustment idea is already in *my* Glossary entry using an alias.
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Eliza Hall
: The "100,000 €" in the original is already a round number. "Parfaire" doesn't mean rounded, but supplemented or adjusted.
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It can still be rounded up or down to a lower or higher figure.
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Reference comments
2 hrs
AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Sensible solutions
Native in: English (Variant: Wessexois)
Works in: French to English, English, English to French
Related KudoZ points
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1362
Reference:
Start with a definition
Définition de Parfaire
en partenariat avec
Baumann Avocats Droit informatique
Le verbe "parfaire" qui est apparenté à l'adjectif "parfait" est utilisé dans les jugements des tribunaux, les arrêts des Cours d'appel et ceux de la Cour de cassation dans le sens de "complèter". Par exemple : "... .Il appartient ensuite au demandeur de parfaire ce commencement de preuve par écrit par d'autres éléments tels que témoignages ou indices" (Cour de cassation, 1ère hambre civile 29 juin 2016, N° de pourvoi : 15-11392, Legifrance). Autre exemple : "... sauf à leur payer la somme de 1 000 000 d'euros sauf à parfaire ou à diminuer en raison du préjudice subi à la suite des troubles anormaux du voisinage qu'ils ont subi" (Chambre criminelle 8 juillet 2015, N° de pourvoi : 14-83926, Legifrance).
Constitue un commencement de preuve par écrit tout acte qui émane de celui contre lequel la demande est formée et qui rend vraisemblable le fait allégué : les seules réponses mentionnées par un huissier de justice dans une sommation interpellative ne constituent pas un commencement de preuve par écrit. (3e Chambre civile 29 septembre 2016, pourvoi n°15-20177, BICC n°857 du 1er mars 2017 et Legifrance).
https://www.dictionnaire-juridique.com/definition/parfaire.p...
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PARFAIRE ... Parfaire quelque chose, l'amener à l'achèvement complet, à la plénitude (seulement à l'inf. et aux temps composés) : Pour parfaire la ressemblance, il avait pris l'accent nasillard du professeur ... Il espère parfaire la somme rapidement en faisant des heures supplémentaires
[Larousse Lexis]
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Note added at 5 days (2020-07-28 13:36:00 GMT)
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Maybe even better: Subject to any additions
en partenariat avec
Baumann Avocats Droit informatique
Le verbe "parfaire" qui est apparenté à l'adjectif "parfait" est utilisé dans les jugements des tribunaux, les arrêts des Cours d'appel et ceux de la Cour de cassation dans le sens de "complèter". Par exemple : "... .Il appartient ensuite au demandeur de parfaire ce commencement de preuve par écrit par d'autres éléments tels que témoignages ou indices" (Cour de cassation, 1ère hambre civile 29 juin 2016, N° de pourvoi : 15-11392, Legifrance). Autre exemple : "... sauf à leur payer la somme de 1 000 000 d'euros sauf à parfaire ou à diminuer en raison du préjudice subi à la suite des troubles anormaux du voisinage qu'ils ont subi" (Chambre criminelle 8 juillet 2015, N° de pourvoi : 14-83926, Legifrance).
Constitue un commencement de preuve par écrit tout acte qui émane de celui contre lequel la demande est formée et qui rend vraisemblable le fait allégué : les seules réponses mentionnées par un huissier de justice dans une sommation interpellative ne constituent pas un commencement de preuve par écrit. (3e Chambre civile 29 septembre 2016, pourvoi n°15-20177, BICC n°857 du 1er mars 2017 et Legifrance).
https://www.dictionnaire-juridique.com/definition/parfaire.p...
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Note added at 2 hrs (2020-07-22 21:44:24 GMT)
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PARFAIRE ... Parfaire quelque chose, l'amener à l'achèvement complet, à la plénitude (seulement à l'inf. et aux temps composés) : Pour parfaire la ressemblance, il avait pris l'accent nasillard du professeur ... Il espère parfaire la somme rapidement en faisant des heures supplémentaires
[Larousse Lexis]
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Note added at 5 days (2020-07-28 13:36:00 GMT)
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Maybe even better: Subject to any additions
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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philgoddard
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| agree |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
2 days 17 hrs
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| agree |
Yvonne Gallagher
4 days
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Discussion
https://www.dictionnaire-juridique.com/definition/parfaire.p...
https://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2guides/guides/juridi/i...
Thinking about the link you sent, it could mean: sauf à parfaire or à diminuer = "à compléter ou à diminuer". In my example, to resume, subject to re-evaluation seems to be the good alternative. Because it doesn't say it it should be less or more, so re-evaluation sounds well adjusted.
is it helpful?